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NeonMadman

You don't get free health care already?
Lobby, lobby, lobby!

Free? Really?

Doctors work for nothing? Hospitals don't pay their help, and all their equipment is donated? Wow, what a system.

Oh, wait. You mean the government pays all those costs. And they get the money to pay them - where was that again? Oh yeah! They confiscate your money through taxes! So, guess what - it's not free, you're paying for every penny of it!

And besides that, you get mediocre health care 'cause we all know how well things go when they're managed by the government, don't we? That's why Canadians who can afford it come to the US - where health care is not "free" - to get quality care instead of the mediocre care they get at home.

Simon

free = free at the point of delivery

I agree, the NHS is pants. The concept is good but it was badly implemented (doctors effectively set their own pay)

If you had to buy bread of the government then it woudl cost £5 a loaf and woudl only be available from special bread centers ..

Bendrr

Thanks for the thoughts, Francois. Unfortunately it won't happen until the number of professional welfare recipients is greatly reduced. When enough of the voting public realizes that they can use their votes to get a free paycheck then society is doomed. I hate to think of what it will take to save it. Sooner or later the burden will become so great on the minority that actually pay taxes that things will most likely get very ugly.

E-Man: I'd love to see a big change in our health care system, but I just don't think it's as simple as giving the government control and letting the taxpayers, the MINORITY of income earners in this country, pay the bills.

Mike.

Francois

A minority you said? That's exactly what the left, the democrat party, that is the neo-Marxist Party of America is doing right now. The top 50% of wage earners pay 96% of the taxes; the top 5% of wage earners pay something on the order of 36% of the taxes and the democrat party wants to make that curve steeper. Why? So that the people paying the taxes are such a minority that if they banded together to vote against these neo-Marxists it would make no difference at all. The people paying the taxes would essentially have no voice. And when Bush gives some of the taxes back to the people who are actually paying it, the neo-Marxist democrat party screams, "It's a tax break for the rich," No. It's a tax break for the people who actually pay the damned taxes in the firs place.

Have a look at this. See if it chills your bones. It should.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

And this guy was not speaking about some modern state. He was speaking about the fall of the first Athenean Republic.

When you see the liberals on TV wringing their hands talking about the poor and excoriating the rich and the Republicans, and you see Hillary running for president, etc., etc., be afriad, be very afraid.

berylblue

I think it's good ... better than the one you or we currently have

A few years ago, I was discussing something with my English ex; I don't remember what it was at the moment, but I do remember saying, "That is a clear violation of your rights".

He replied, "We don't have any rights. We're British".

Rosemarie

DazedAndConfused

Uuuuggghhh, grow up will you?

I thought a lot of you on this board were smarter than this.

Look at history. Look at where we came from. Look at the ones fighting for YOUR rights. Why do we have to fight about who or what is right? We all know that no one can agree upon a "human" ruler...right? Or are we here for a different reason?

Aren't we here becasue we don't agree that man will rule? If that is the case, I am not saying it is,....if it is the case, where do we get relief without cinicism (sp)?

DazedAndConfused

If I am in error and misreading the post's,...I truly apologise.

Abaddon

Simon;

"doctors effectively set their own pay"

So the USA and the UK are the same then!

If you are on average income or below, the National Health Service provides better service than someone on average income could afford in the USA.

If you're on a higher income, you can go private, and the levels of service are very comparable.

Wolves look after their sick and injured.

Does anyone know what percentage of medical bills in the USA goes to cover litigation?

Serious Question; Is alternative childbirth (i.e. patient controlled (unless an emergency) birth plan, with free choice of standing, sqautting, birth pools, whatever, choice of pain relief or no relief, baby stays with mum after a quick check, a weigh and a clean) popular in the USA?

Whenever you see someone giving birth in an American TV drama they always seem to be on their backs in stirrups, and undergoing heavy intervention, even for a 'normal' birth. Then the baby gets carted away and the parents look at it in a nursery through glass. Very 1950's.

Is this just TV distortion, or are doctors still treating pregnancy like a disease in the US?

With my second daughter I cleared the midwife out of the delivery room and told her if we needed her I'd call, as she was bugging my x-wife shitless. When she began pushing, I got them back in (dripping water all over the floor as both me and my x were in the birthing pool), and they spectated until Roxy popped out like a cork, and I caught her on the way up to the surface. Then the midwife tied of the umbilicus and I cut it, and then they buggered off again whilst we and baby got acquainted; this is quite normal.

Aztec

Surprisingly, I agree. I just finished reading a book entitled "The Death of Comon Sense" by Philip K. Howard. It's a great look at how beaurocracy and our litigous society are stifling our ability to use our brains and think for ourselves. The only thing I disagree with is the part about the electric chair. I find capital punishment to be barbaric.

~Aztec

NeonMadman

free = free at the point of delivery

I knew that, of course. I was just in high sarcasm mode. The problem, though, is that people really think of it as "free" health care when, in fact, they are paying through taxation for every bit of it and yielding power over a large part of their lives and their country's economy to the government.

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