How Much Damage Would You Assess?

Sea Breeze

Just as there is no such thing as a Christian who worships Satan, There is no such thing as a Christian outside of the New Covenant “for the forgiveness of sins”

And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it, For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. - Mt. 26: 27–28

Since everyone in their right mind would want their sins forgiven by God, JW’s must lie to the public in order to attract new converts. It is only once a person has their whole family in the religion that the trap is set. If they find out that their sins are not really forgiven like the WT teaches, a person’s family will be prohibited from speaking to them.

How many converts do you think JWs could make if they told people the truth up front, or, in one of the many baptismal questions?

ZERO

This is pure fraud and is most certainly illegal. It has no place in a free and law-abiding society.

So, If Watchtower was found guilty of fraud by not disclosing they teach that Jesus is NOT your Mediator before your baptism and you lost your family as a result from shunning; what would you assess damages at for a lost family if you were on the jury?

LongHairGal

SEA BREEZE:

Your questions are complicated and I wouldn’t know if anybody could put a number to something like that.. How much is a life worth? How much is somebody’s time worth? Etc.

I also believe the religion wouldn’t get any converts if they put their cards on the table!.. I think I experienced ‘bait & switch’ with them. Nothing was as it was explained to me once I was in. Then all the ugliness was revealed.. Jesus’s ‘light load’ turned out to be a ton of bricks!

There were serious life lessons and a number done on my brain!.. I do realize some have had it worse than me and I’m grateful I wasn’t raised a JW.. What a relief to be done with it.

Vidiot

LongHaiGal - “…I also believe the religion wouldn’t get any converts if they put their cards on the table... I think I experienced ‘bait & switch’ with them…”

Agreed.

If you have to cheat to promote your beliefs, your beliefs don’t deserve to be promoted.

Vidiot

“How much is a life worth?”

“About a hundred dollars…”

“How much is somebody’s time worth?”

“About a hundred dollars…”

Rattigan350

Sea Breeze, you don't know what you are talking about. Why is it that people don't understand the context of mediator?

Is it because people mistakenly think that Paul was the authority on everything?

Paul wrote in specific contexts to specific audiences about specific matters.

Sea Breeze

Rattigan350,

Are you not in the new covenant yet "for the forgiveness of sins"?

Don't you want to get your sins forgiven?

BelisemDeBelimakom

The deception is deep, there is a diabolical plan.

WT is practicing deception, right and it is bidirectional. They are trying to put the responsibility for all the evil they have done (and will be doing) on ordinary witnesses, because the Evil method of action requires putting the responsibility on the other side. Perhaps as an effect of being deceived constantly, Witnesses start to like being deceived, and they play their parts in perpetuating this vicious circle of deception. They do not realize that they are exhibiting pride (after their theocratic accomplishments), idolatry (worship of man and man-made things) and vanity (their privileges of service, boasting about the Organization, their "mother"). Fortunately, Jesus is not idle, He takes care of each one of us to wake us up.

WT: We didn't say report this many hours, you set it. Some of you said, isn't there more to do, and we provided the opportunity. Construction projects, translation, cleaning, pioneering, these things exist because you asked for them.

WT: We didn't want to make rules that regulate lives so much, you demanded it, you asked us for every detail. Can I wear this dress, can someone serve in high positions if they have a beard, and we answered with directions.

WT: We said we were imperfect, you made us gods.

WT: You asked us there should be simultaneous and uniform quality of education in every congregation and land, so we harmonized everything, to prevent different levels of understanding.

Vidqun

Sea Breeze, I agee. All Christians as well as the Jewish remnant are part of the new covenant (Rom. 11). This one shows by celebrating of the Lord's evening meal and by partaking of the bread and wine. This is a confirmation of the new covenant and the forgiveness of sins (Matt. 26:27, 28).

As John puts it: "Accordingly Jesus said to them, Most truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, YOU have no life in yourselves. He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day" (John 6:53, 54 NWT).

But now the thousand million dollar question: Where does that leave the majority of spectator JWs?

KerryKing

I don't remember ever really preaching or discussing the forgiveness of sins, I think we all just focus d on getting people to baptism stage ( i never got anyone there for which I am so grateful!) and that would take care of everything lol

DesirousOfChange

There is a lot more "fraud" and "deception" from WT than the petty crap you mention. And there is a lot more fraud and deception today from other sources than anything close to WT. (Think used car salesmen.)

Since everyone in their right mind would want their sins forgiven by God,

I think there are a lot more enlightened people who don't give a rats ass about God's (which God?) opinion than those who do.

I think it's going to be really difficult (impossible) to prove that the forgiveness one receives from "God" via WT's plan is any better or worse than the forgiveness from any other such source.

How Much Damage Would You Assess?

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