Can God Change his Mind?

by peacefulpete 56 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • PetrW
    PetrW

    @peacefulpete

    The message of the obvious satire is that if only Jonah had not been successful in converting Ninevah, the Assyrians would never have conquered Israel.

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    The main message of the book of Jonah, however, is that the scheol, is an underwater, marine, mobile device that serves to secure living beings, including humans. The scheol allows for short-term (emergency) stay/survival (+/- 3 days) underwater, and is also capable of navigating above water and safely ascending to land. Entering with open flames or starting a fire is not possible there (unsafe exhaust and air intake, high risk of concentration of life-threatening gases).

    This idea of scheol as a relatively cold place without fire is fundamentally different from the hellish ideas of the churches, but also from the JWs who associate scheol with the earth and the abstract place of all the dead. Jonah was alive there, he didn't see any other dead/living people, and there probably wasn't much room either. The JWs doctrine of the underworld would succeed if JWs considered that each dead person has a fish with a belly where the scheol is. Here, however, we must wait for new light!


  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    I think there's a difference between changing one's mind and outright deception. God expressed regret at creating mankind before he unleashed a global flood. And didn't Moses get god to change his mind?

    This is only an issue if you see god as so perfect that his every utterance is, itself, perfect and the optimal choice to make or action to take. But the god of the Bible sounds a lot like a regular human person- he expresses emotion and takes action much the same way we would. People change their minds all the time, or they revise plans and pronouncements all the time. Maybe the issue is that, over time, we have defined the Biblical god in ways that aren't consistent with his words and actions as described in the Bible.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange
    For instance, when God said, “I will destroy Nineveh in forty days,” He was speaking conditionally upon the Assyrians’ response.

    Too bad he wasn't able to just "read their hearts" and skip all the drama with the "fish".

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete
    Maybe the issue is that, over time, we have defined the Biblical god in ways that aren't consistent with his words and actions as described in the Bible.

    Or, the 'words and actions described in the Bible' aren't 'consistent'. This either reflects a changing perception of God or a changing God.

    I noticed no one touched the idea of using Jeremiah to explain the 2000 year 'delay', maybe God changed his mind.

  • Halcon
    Halcon
    Too bad he wasn't able to just "read their hearts" and skip all the drama with the "fish.

    He did, that is why he condemned them in the beginning.

    This is an interesting conversation, and I believe it revolves around the age old question of free will.

    If we truly are created in God's image, with his capacity to feel all the emotions he feels, why is it surprising then to read God being angry, happy or upset?

    If we accept that God is greater than his creation, including us human beings, then we can understand that we are left with being able to interpret God's actions at best. As peacefulpete asked, is it a non retractable judgment, or is it a warning? I think arguments can be made for both.

    However, if we cannot accept that God is greater than his creation, we'll attempt to bring him down to our convoluted and confused level.

  • stan livedeath
    stan livedeath

    In order to change your mind you have to exist.

  • Touchofgrey
    Touchofgrey

    Man created gods in their image .

    The god of the bible behaves exactly like there bronze age creators. Just as men can change their minds so can their imagined god.

  • Halcon
    Halcon
    Man created gods in their image

    Why would man do that? Why would he undermine himself by claiming someone was greater than man?

    Wether done intentionally or haphazardly it would point to some innate and instinctive awareness on the part of man that there is something greater than him.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange
    Man created gods in their image . Why would man do that?

    IDK, but isn't that what Isaiah 44:15 describes?

  • Touchofgrey
    Touchofgrey

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/your-brain-food/202107/why-do-humans-keep-inventing-gods-worship

    Man has created thousands of main gods ,each culture through human history has had many gods or just one .

    Apollo, Poseidon, Zeus, cronus, dionysus hades etc.

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