JULY 2025 STUDY WT How to Give Advice

by blondie 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • blondie
    blondie

    I scanned this article and I saw a theme throughout it. When info like this shows up in the study WT, you can be sure the elders are doing it wrong and the WTS hits directly on what it is. Older elders do it wrong and train by word and action the newer elders to do it wrong. (All quotes for you to make what you think about it)

    WT JULY 2025 GIVE ADVICE

    Elders especially need to be able to give advice effectively.

    by providing Bible-based counsel in their talks to the congregation

    give counsel to individual sheep, including those who have strayed from the flock. How can elders and, by extension, all of us give good advice?

    good counselor by studying the example set by Bible characters, especially Jesus

    we will discuss what we can do when we are asked to give advice and what we can do when we have to give counsel without being asked. We will also consider the importance of giving advice at the right time and in the right way.

    Jesus knew what to say. He always knew the right thing to say because he based his advice on Jehovah’s wisdom, never his own.

    we must make sure that the counsel we give is based, not on our own thoughts, but on God’s Word.

    When counseling someone, we need to wait until it is the right “time to speak.”

    If we overwhelm the person with information, he may become confused

    tell him only as much as he needs to know to deal with the challenge he is facing.

    Jesus repeatedly had to give his apostles counsel about being humble. On each occasion, though, he was mild and respectful (means TACTFUL)

    what should be our first reaction? We may be flattered and want to help immediately. But we should first ask ourselves, ‘Am I qualified to give advice in this area?

    directing the person to someone who is qualified to provide guidance on that subject.

    Suppose that a close friend develops a serious medical condition. He tells you that he has started researching the treatment options that are available to him, and then he asks you to give your opinion on which treatment you feel is better. You may have strong personal opinions on the matter, but you have no medical qualifications or training in dealing with the illness. In that case, the best way you can help your friend is to assist him in finding someone who is qualified to help him.

    we may choose to wait for a short period of time before answering a person who asks us for advice.

    What if we think that we know the answer? We might still take some time to do research, to pray, and to meditate. Then we can be more confident that our answer is in harmony with Jehovah’s feelings on the matter

    Consider another reason why we should be careful when giving advice to someone: We could share responsibility if our counsel causes someone to make a decision that brings on negative consequences.

    That such a person “is heading in the wrong direction, though he may not yet have committed a serious sin.” The goal of the elders is to help the person remain on the road

    for their counsel to be effective, however, they first need to make sure that the person has really taken a false step.

    Jehovah allows all of us to make decisions based on our own conscience.

    Similarly, before an elder gives unsolicited counsel, he does well to prepare the ground, so to speak

    the elder can continue to soften the ground by acknowledging that everyone makes mistakes and needs counsel from time to time.

    In a calm voice and with deep respect, the elder clearly shows him from the Scriptures

    Once the brother acknowledges that he has made a mistake, the elder “plants the seed” by explaining to him, in simple terms, what he needs to do to try to correct the situation.

    sincerely commending the brother and by praying with him

    Sometimes, what the counselor says and what the person receiving the counsel hears are two different things.

    But we must resist the urge to give advice when we are angry

    However, we can communicate more effectively if we wait until we are calm

    Advice is best given at the right time and in the right way​—with respect and love

    Elders who give specific, Bible-based advice

  • hoser
    hoser

    The problem I’ve encountered more often than not is unwarranted counsel.

    Being falsely accused and punished based on gossip and slander,

  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    Blondie, TL;DR version, what do you think their point is?

    The most prominent example in the article is of medical advice. Is the blood policy what is being obliquely referred to here?

    Then there seems to be a hint that elders are looking too hard for examples of sin. When a behaviour or attitude is less than desirable, but hasn't crossed the line into being "sinful", perhaps?

    At first glance it looks like they're encouraging kinder and gentler behaviour, but I've learned never to assume that to be the WT's motive. Is it about reducing the number of sins and crimes on the books (more secret files kept on the congregation?) so that governments don't become even more interested in the WT than they already are?

    I figure that the less times people are taken into the backroom and the less corresponding paperwork sent to Bethel, the less controlling Bethel looks.

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    HOSER:

    I know what you mean about unwarranted counsel.

    Years ago, a not very bright JW (elder) said a lot of crap to me out of left field. Just for the record for anybody who doesn’t know:: Jehovah’s Witnesses think they can say anything they want to a single woman. But, they would hesitate with a married woman.

    All this encounter revealed to me was that some people in the hall were envious, I was apparently the target of gossip plus he had issues of his own.

    Meanwhile, I was the single working woman with few friends, hardly invited anywhere!! I worked, minded my own business and made meetings as best I could.

    But, apparently, some delusional people in the Witnesses believe fallacies that single people have ‘no problems’.. Some imagined that I ‘owed’ somebody something.. So, this ignorant guy spoke out of the abundance of his stupidity. But, I left him frustrated because he got nowhere!

  • Listener
    Listener
    Jesus knew what to say. He always knew the right thing to say because he based his advice on Jehovah’s wisdom, never his own.

    They have such little respect and honour for Jesus. They are claiming he doesn’t have wisdom of his own to exercise and is not able to know what to say in his own right.

    we must make sure that the counsel we give is based, not on our own thoughts, but on God’s Word.

    Since Jesus lacks any ability to act on what he feels and knows to be good, how much more so is this the case for JWs. Their own thoughts are always bad and must never coincide with God’s thoughts. The Watchtower is just training them to accept its own thoughts, regardless of whether it makes sense to a jw or not.


  • blondie
    blondie

    NotFormer, not obliquely mentioned, 17 How might a similar situation arise today? Consider the matter of blood fractions. Each Christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions. c We may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry. (Rom. 14:4) If we were to copy what somebody else decided to do, we could weaken our own conscience. We can train and improve our conscience only by using it. (Heb. 5:14) So when should we ask a mature Christian for advice? After we have done our own research but still need help in understanding how Bible principles relate to our situation (and Endnote https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/enjoy-life-forever/section-3/lesson-39/#p37-p41 For a detailed discussion of this topic, see the Enjoy Life Forever! book, lesson 39 point 5 and the “Explore” section.". LInk to the WT Study article (yes it is one) https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-july-2025/Why-Seek-Advice/

  • finishedmystery
    finishedmystery

    I am someone who believes in giving credit where credit is due. Watchtower usually doesn't deserve much credit, but this article seems like an exception. It reads almost like a paradigm shift. As a former elder I know only too well how much stress and pressure the Society places on elders to do shepherding work, and they often feel that they have to do it even though they don't want to. The Hippocratic oath says "do no harm", but that is all too often what shepherding calls can lead to or to quote Elvis "going where wise men fear to rush in." In my experience about a third of elders are competent to do shepherding, but have a natural restraint about it. It's the other two thirds where things get scary--young men who think that because they have the authority and power of elders that their wisdom is equal to their power when it most certainly is not equal, and old men who are all too often just opinionated old farts who can be quite pig headed and think they know how the cow ate the cabbage. Their age makes them think they know more than they do.

    Blondie, you're probably right that all the counsel of the article is addressing a problem with elders going off half cocked, that it's increasingly wide spread. Look at the arrogance of the GB and how their arrogance fosters a culture of arrogance. It should be no surprise that elders are becoming more and more of a problem in how they deal with the flock. The trouble with the the article is that as long as there is a culture of arrogance within the org that nothing will ever change and the counsel will be relatively ineffectual.

  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW
    You may have strong personal opinions on the matter, but you have no medical qualifications or training in dealing with the illness. Consider another reason why we should be careful when giving advice to someone: We could share responsibility if our counsel causes someone to make a decision that brings on negative consequences.

    Like the governing body "doctors" who damned near demanded that every JW get the COVID jab as if God himself came to earth and whispered that mandate in their ears. Have they ever taken responsibility for the deaths and illness that are now being recognized as side effects of the jab for gullible JW's that believed every "inspired" utterance from their mouths? Hell no!!

  • Balaamsass2
    Balaamsass2

    I was astounded by the questions publishers asked me because I was an Elder. Financial, legal, psychiatric, medical, career, marital....and sometimes scriptural. lol. I would ask them what their PROFESSIONAL advisor had suggested. Of course, they hadn't consulted a professional. Watchtower always paid for professionals, but they constantly beat the drum to the JW rank and file that "Elders were appointed by the holy spirit", so I can see where some would equate this teaching with "special knowledge" from god himself imparted on Elders. No wonder most of the advice is so bad, leaving rank and file JWs to suffer, and the givers of the advice so pompous.

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    You can see that they try to weasel out of it, though. "It is a conscience matter" isn't a get-out-of-judgment-free card, as it can put a lot of anxiety on the mind of the person who decides to use blood fractions. It is a very insidious way to do things, akin to saying 'it's your decision... I sure hope Jehovah doesn't disapprove.'

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