Has anyone ever met a JW Prophet? (slave class)

by badolputtytat 15 Replies latest jw friends

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  badolputtytat

  During my... adventure, with these people, I have raised a question with them. Who writes the articles? makes the rules? ACTUALLY hears the voice of God? Their reply is always the same... This annointed "Slave Class" that usually reside at Bethel. These are the "prophets" who set the (changing) dates. Make the (new) rules, and any changes in the structure or teachings of the lot.

  Has anyone here actually ever met one of these people? Do they actually claim to "hear" the voice of God? Are they named specifically on some kind of register with the Organization? or Are they a protected "secret" group of people? If they are named, where can this be obtained? Such questions seem to be forbidden, as I have been asked not to "show a suspicious nature", I should simply accept that they exist, and are truly annointed.

  A faithful Jw in the audience? Have you ever met one of these slave class? Did he give you his name? Did he tell you he hears God? Does he live on the "farm"?

  any info would be of help.
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  Makena1

  In my early teens, through my father who was a bethelite in the 1930's I was introduced to several of the "slave class",

  Albert Schroeder (was our tour captain for plane trip to Europes 1969 International Assemblies - son Judah Ben was also on the plane)

  Carey Barber

  John Barr

  Dan Sydlik - (close friends with my aunt and uncle)

  Time for discussion with the above was limited so do not remember any special "vibes" of prophetic signficance.

  The Bethel heavies (non-prophet types) that made a bigger impression on me were:

  Karl Klein - I believe he conducted assembly orchestra's (dad played cello in the WBBR orchestra) - when I met him I had just started playing piano and clarinet at the big assemblies - had something in common to talk about.

  T J Sullivan - met him at a Gilead graduation. He was quite frail at the time, but was nice enough to take 15-20 minutes to talk to me about favorite scriptures, my spiritual goals.

  Maxwell Friend - ditto

  Unlike those who actually went to Bethel and had some dealings with these men on a regular basis, my experiences were very brief and mostly unremarkable. I learned a lot more by reading COC and ISOCF. They are just men - nothing more, however, what control they held over me for the 40 years of my life.

  All best,

  Mak
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  Francois

  Obviously, there has never been a Jehovah's Witness prophet.
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  gumby

  Do they actually claim to "hear" the voice of God?

  No.....they believe he directs them and governs them by his spirit. He allows mistakes, yet he directs them........figure that out. In other words if they go ahead of him....they make mistakes.....if they "wait" on him, then no mistakes. They always make mistakes.100% failure in all their prophecies.

  It started out with one of these guys.....then he appointed some more......then they appointed some more........to make up what is known as the governing body. There was NEVER a succession of these men as they claim from the 1st. century onward. It started in the late 1800's with NOBODY who passed this mantel on to them .....as they claim.

  Gumby
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  IslandWoman

  Badolputtytat,

  You claim to be on the inside but speak like you are on the outside.

  By the way, JWs never refer to their leaders as "prophets".

  IW
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  gumby

  My own mother and sister are being held captive by this group of people (not god)... It is my full intention to destroy this organization, and I am sorry if that sounds mean. I have not seen or heard from them in years, but I, through my own devices have begun the deception. I fully intend to work my way through the ranks... I am bucking for elder in the near future. When this day comes, it will truly be a happy day.

  Actually I was wondering the same thing as IW. Your lingo doesn't fit too well according to the time you have seem to have spent with the Organisation as your above post shows.

  Damn.....I'm a dadgum colombo!

  Gumby
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  badolputtytat

  ok... paranoia is understood... the question was raised to get the names. To know what is said... no I am not on the inside... but I am working on it. In case you havent noticed these are quite simple minded people. It won't take much. Give me a year at best. Overnight I went from out-cast, to bible study, to meeting, to assembly.I have the trust of some distant family, and that is a start.

  very simple... you just sit there in the little back room with the elders, and plead your case. Tell em how sorry you are, and far you are willing to go to prove yourself. Yes I sit through the drivel, and b.s. and I take the guilt and shame. I can shed tears at the drop of a hat. Just be dramatic.

  and no... I am not explaining or justifying myself to you. I just am not going to sit here and bitch about the thing and not do anything. If I fail... then I fail. I mean what did you expect, given the whole situation? that I was a traveling overseer? Give me some time.. these things must happen slowly...

  Intsead of accusations and inuendos and paranoia .... perhaps the two of you can provide me with some MORE information that can help... or do you plan to just sit there in that chair and watch this happen? And cry on each other's shoulder about the bad ol people who are destroying your lives.. . wait on someone else to handle it. Am I pissing someone off? .... Good.. do something about it... go to a meeting and pick up the damn re-written bible they use, and find a way to use it against them....

  Send me names. send me useful information. tell me what I may have missed in the last fifteen years of my absence... what you think they are going to tell me all that? This thing is only beginning. It will take time. the lawsuits, and newspaper articles, and publicity will only make them stronger. more bonded. more secretive.

  take some of those balls you are using to attack me about it... and put it to a little constructive deception... Invite them into your home. Be nice. Let them bring you back into the "fold" and when you get in there.. do all the damage that you can.

  I have to start somewhere... and I thought given all the knowlege that I find on this board, that someone could provide some USEFULL information. I see though they have you running scared. Dont feel like too big a chicken though... it took me 15 years... after you get past your fear of them, perhaps YOU can do something too.
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  topanga

  yeah my mother stayed with one of them and his wife while she studied he spent most of his time trying to get in her bed and watch her in the shower. Do waste your existence trying to get back at them, there are dozens of organizations like them. Live your life make up to yourself all that you lost or neglected during the time spent with them. Be happy and move on, find a new fellowship or social group.
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  badolputtytat

  think you are missing the point..... MY life is fine.... My mothers life is near an end and she will see that end trapped in this crap. As well as the rest of my family. My intentions are not "to get back" at them, but I must admit a sense of revenge motivates me.

  I am NOT ALLOWED to comfort my mother as she suffers the pain of her illness. I am NOT ALLOWED to be there when she passes... she may pass alone, in some dark room, having elders there feeding her this false hope and sense that when she leaves her daughter behind, that child will be cared for by these people. I am NOT ALLOWED to wipe the puke off her face and know that she is being taken care of. Help her out of bed when her bowels release. See that she is has clean bed-clothes and proper care.

  And if "being happy and moving on" includes sitting around being paranoid and bitching about this organization is what you call "life" I am sorry. I tried that once... for fifteen years. I myself posted on this board my own "sad story" and in some way it helped. But the more I kept reading the stories of other's and found comfort in that .... I began to ask myself " there are a thousand members on this board... why dont WE do something?"

  As far as finding fellowship goes.. I did find it.. .right here (once upon a time) Yeah... I can go off and join a "social group"... and leave my mother alone in that dark room. . . with those people you all find so horrible.

  But I suppose taking action and being involved in a real solution, is beyond some. And I dont mean taking them to court... they got money coming out the wazoo, and that will fix it all... If these people become a full fledged political and financial institution the way they intend.... then what you have seen out of them so far is going to be like playing friggin' tiddley winks. Do not underestimate these folks.

  I know, they taught you to be blind to what is going on around you... never question them. and it is working... Just turn your back and walk away huh? Like a good little servant.

  If I was just "bored" and looking for a "cause to join".... I would go to the friggin YMCA.

  Time for work
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  Mr. Kim