DECEPTIVE JW EDLERS #1

by Amazing 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    DECEPTIVE JW ELDERS #1

    On H20 I posted a Justice Series with 12 Judicial Case experiences for the purpose of showing how decisions are made, and to highlight the poor training, lack of education, and often the incompetence shown by Watch Tower appointed Elders. Even those of us with a measure of secular education were often untrained in essentials of dealing with people’s personal and emotional problems. I may resume this series on this forum. In the meantime ...

    I will commence a Series of posts on Deceptive JW Elders and how early on JW Elders can and are often corrupted by the Watch Tower system such that by the time they may become Circuit or District Overseers or higher up the management ladder, they are primed to be nothing but ‘yes men’ and mortgage their consciences to a system that is unfeeling and unconcerned with truth, and can exhibit strong levels of corruption.

    CASE #1: Jehovah's Angels are Watching - YOU! JWs are of the belief that Jehovah God uses his Angels to monitor and direct matters in the organization on a daily basis. When, for example, a person commits some transgression, but tries to conceal it, then the matter comes to the attention of the Elders, the guilty JW may be made to feel that it was Jehovah’s angels and spirit making sure the wrongdoer is exposed.

    Brother “N”, whom I helped become a JW, was about to get married. He was really not ready for marriage in any sense of the word, both his young age of 19, and his emotional development were lagging behind his peers. His wife to be was 34 years old and a mother of four children ranging in age between 7 and 15. He was not prepared to be a step father, and the children (all boys) resented his being involved with their mother. The road was already going to be rough at the very beginning of what would become a tenuous marriage.

    Brother N still enjoyed doing things that young teens like, including playing coin operated video games at the pizza restaurant while adults sat at the table talking and drinking beer. This was okay because he had not started to make the transition to show more interest in things typical of adults.

    But, the Elders were beside themselves to find a way to prevent brother N from getting married to Sister ‘P’. One day, they asked Brother N into the ‘back room’ after the meeting to discuss some important matters. During the discussion, they asked how he was planning on supporting a large family when he marries Sister P. He responded that he had a full time job and while his income was not stellar, he could help a lot, and combined with Sister P’s income, they would be okay.

    The Elders asked if he understood the importance of saving, spending wisely, and not doing foolish things with his money. He said that he felt he understood that well enough to get started in marriage. The PO, Brother “J” then asked if he liked things like video games, and Brother N confirmed this. Then Brother J talked about how foolish it would be to spend $30, $40, or $50 playing these games when the money would be better used by saving it, or using it to make sure bills were paid first.

    Brother N was awe stricken because he had just blown $50 on a coin–op video the day before. He brought this up to the PO and expressed how timely it was that the PO would mention this in light of his recent expense.

    Up to this point, nothing wrong or deceptive has taken place. Watchful parents used such tactics at times to reason with their teen age children. I have done this. But what happened next displays a serious deceptive practice that helps foster a false image that Jehovah is directing his organization.

    Brother N concluded that Jehovah must have been guiding and directing the Elders minds so that they could reach his heart. The PO supported this notion that Jehovah uses the Angels to bring matters to their minds so that he can direct his people right in the congregations. Even here, I suppose one could argue that the Elders and the PO were of the same belief and acted in good conscience. But ...

    When the meeting ended, I was talking with the PO about this issue. He begin to laugh and said to me privately that someone who saw Brother N blowing $50 in videos told him about it. He just put two and tow together and used it to counsel Brother N. But, as he laughed, he said that poor Brother N really thinks that one of Jehovah’s Angels enlightened their minds, and he never had a clue that the PO was told about it in advance. He continued to be humored by the fact that Brother N was now scared of the Elders and it would be easier to keep him in line.

    I stood there shocked at what I was hearing. The PO didn’t even have the slightest thought about being deceptive or in allowing a false belief to go forth just to accomplish his goal. Instead, to him, it was nothing more than an older and wiser adult hoodwinking a stupid young man.

    Yes, this is a small scale deception that of itself is not the worst example of dishonest religious practices ... but, it is the first in a series that shows the corrupt thinking that runs through the minds of the Elders, and that such corruption, like leaven, will only grown and continue on to bigger things. To be continued ... Simply Amazing

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Amazing,

    A question for you before I hit the hay.

    Reading your posts here and on H20, it's obvious to me that you have some exceptional qualities of insight.

    Could it be that it is this insight that prompted you and others to believe that you were of the "Anointed"?

    Englishman.

  • Francois
    Francois

    Amazing, you said, "Yes, this is a small scale deception that of itself is not the worst example of dishonest religious practices ... " However he that is faithful in small things...you know.

    There can only follow stories of bigger smallnesses. It has gotten to the point that no story is shocking anymore, no moral swamp is too polluted, no ethic so non-existant that the JWs can't find a way to go even lower.

    Keep those stories coming. Perhaps they will convice some poor, unwitting person about to join the Borg that it's not such a good idea after all.

    Francoise.

  • jschwehm
    jschwehm

    Hi Amazing-

    Actually your story here illustrates why the Jehovah's Witnesses are considered a cult. Here we have an example of mystical manipulation and the cult of confession.

    The mystical manipulation is that the elders used their knowledge that they obtained from their spy network to make it appear as though the group has God's backing and mystical power. Plus they are using this private information about this young man to control him. Secondly, the spy network and using that to force the young man to confess so that they can use his "sin" against him to control him is a good example of the cult of confession. These manipulative techniques are used by cults of all kinds and they are insidious. Any group that uses these techniques is nothing more than a large dysfunctional group.

    Jeff S.

  • XJWBill
    XJWBill

    Regarding the example given, here's my two cents: obviously, this 19-year-old was a dumb*%$@ who needed to be warned about getting himself into a marriage that in all likelihood would only bring a truckload of misery to himself, his wife, and her children. It's good somebody tried to counsel him, even by means of a little subterfuge--I can see any decent father, uncle, or pastor doing that.

    The disturbing part of the story is the elder's relish for "keeping him in line" indefinitely by means of fear.

    I never knew any elders that nasty, that I knew of. But I once got roped into making an "accusation" against another young brother who, in a group of us attending a concert one night, had too much to drink--OK, he was s%@#faced, and I had to drive us all home because he couldn't sit up to drive his own car--he was too busy puking in the back seat. Lovely.

    I was annoyed, sure, but I figured he had just overestimated his capacity for alcohol that one night--by the next day, I thought it was funny, actually (you had to be there--when we had a flat on the way home in the middle of nowhere, he managed to let the spare tire roll down a hundred-foot embankment and then went chasing after it in the darkness, yelling and stumbling over himself).

    Well, I made the mistake of casually mentioning the incident to a sister who was a good friend of mine, older and very theocratic. She immediately suggested I tell the judicial committee. I hesitated a few days, unsure what to do. But before I had made up my mind, an elder called me and made me repeat the story to him. (My friend apparently had told someone, who told someone, who told the elders.)

    So there was the big judicial committee meeting, and the young guy got public reproof for public drunkenness. I went to the meeting and testified against him, of course--after all, this must be Jehovah's will, and we DO have to keep the congregation clean! But looking back on it, I'm sorry I was forced to be a snitch.

    Can you all relate?

    Bill

    "If we all loved one another as much as we say we love God, I reckon there wouldn't be as much meanness in the world as there is."--from the movie Resurrection (1979)

  • bluesapphire
    bluesapphire

    Amazing, this story hit home with me and it brought back some very painful experiences my husband and I had.

    My husband was the equivalent of Brother N and I was the older sister with kids. (I'm only a few years older and had three girls but no big difference). The elders were so against our getting married. They tried all sorts of devious techniques to get us to break up. They would invite my husband out to the movies and invite another sister to be his date without telling him in advance even though we were already engaged. We had dated secretly and when they first found out about us, they pretended to know through the angels. (It was really his busy-body mother.)

    Numerous times he got the lecture of supporting a large family. Which totally does not make sense since I was already supporting myself and my three girls and his income would only enhance our financial situation. He got the lecture about being imature, not ready to be a step-dad, etc. etc.

    He also liked to spend money on video games and six years later he still does and I think when he's 90 he still will. But SO WHAT!

    We never have gone hungry, we never have been homeless, we never have been behind on our bills. We have bought two houses together, brand new cars, big screen tv, boat and much more things that enhance our quality of life and that of my daughters. But most importantly, the elders were dead wrong about us. We made it because our love was real and deep and our commitment is strong enough to overcome problems. Their deceitful practices could have ended our relationship. I'm glad it didn't because right now I would be miserable, looking for someone just like him. And he would be miserable too.

    They mess with people's lives. It sucks!

  • Tanalyst
    Tanalyst

    Amazing how power corrupts.

  • uncle_onion
    uncle_onion

    I never used to think that the dubs were a cult until very recently. I have been reading the jw discussion boards and I read this which was posted on a board:

    I received what I have decided is SPAM for someone claiming to be a brother. He sent it from a Yahoo e-mail account. I am fairly certain that they either got my new e-mail address from my profile on greatcrowd.com, or from WOL.
    Anyway, I just can't find much in that email to convince me that they really are a JW. So, I am forwarding it to [email protected].
    Yahoo wants you to include the e-mail header with the forward, which you can capture from the "Properties," "Details" tab in Outlook Express of the original email. I am not sure this is really necessary in this case however.

    If it is a brother, then having his email account canceled might cause him to talk to the elders and get needed counsel.

    And they say that they are not brain washed????

    UO

  • logical
    logical

    Revelation 13:14

    And it misleads those who dwell in the earth, because of the signs that are granted to it to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it tells whose who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword stroke and yet revived

  • waiting
    waiting

    hey logical,

    Good scripture to emphasize. Thank you.

    Upon thinking about it - the WTBTS also fits the definition of The Antichrist perfectly.

    The WTBTS claims to be God's Only Channel to Mankind. Jesus Christ is supposed to be our savior, mediator, high priest, and ranson between man and God.

    The WTBTS says they are between man and God.

    Therefore, the WTBTS would be The Antichrist. Guess because the GB is a group of men - the WTBTS could be said to the The Antichrist Class (as they like to class everybody.)

    waiting

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