France: 42% vote for facist and communist Parties!

by Spartacus 13 Replies latest social current

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  Spartacus

  Wow, France has a problem, many are true believers of Big Government and facism. No wonder they protest against America. More than 47% if you add in the Green Party.

  I bring this up because it really shows no matter what the United States do in it's own self-interest many from the socialist and communist wing will protest against America. And since many socialists and communists are concentrated in Europe and hold positions of power in many parts of Europe there will always be organized opposition against America because it represents Capitalism.
  http://www.capmag.com/news.asp?ID=536

  Dollars & Crosses
  Crazy France
  by Chip Joyce (July 6, 2003)
  
  
  [CapMag.com]
  
  In the NY Post Dick Morris had a column that mentioned this topic. Well over forty percent of the French voted for either fascists or communists in the first round of the 2002 presidential election:
  
  Le Pen's National Front, the fascist party, received 16.86%.
  The Socialist party received 16.18%.
  The Trotskyite Workers' Struggle received 5.72%.
  The French Communist Party received 3.37%.
  The Green Party received 5.25%.
  
  So over forty percent of the French population supported presidential candidates that are ostensively worse than Chirac.

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  Double Edge

  No wonder they're so politically 'screwed' up. So many voices to dilute any real direction - I guess they've never heard of the expression "United We Stand, Divided We Fall".... or maybe they've heard of it, they just don't care.
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  Simon

  It should be noted that they have a different voting system that changes how people vote (in different 'rounds')

  What would people rather have? Conformity? Landslide victories? Isn't that how Hitler started ... with overwhelming popular support?
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  blacksheep

  What really would concern me the most is the 17% actually voted for a fascist party...that is an incredibly significant number if you ask me. Scary.
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  blacksheep

  Oh, and just a tag on, a French colleague of mine and I were having a discussion about home ownership. She told me that the French were absolutely not nearly as concerned with owning a home as we are here in the US (guess it's the American dream, no?). I've traveled to other Euro countries and never saw this particular attitude, so I remember thinking about it.

  I think that indeed does support the idea that the notion of capitalism is not necessarily embraced in France. In the US (and other nations as well), home ownership is at the foundation of economic security.
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  Spartacus

  What would people rather have? Conformity? Landslide victories?

  Simon, you can still have diversity of views without having the evil of communism and fascist getting significant attention from voters. Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians even Socialists but Fascists and Communists should be a sideline show and nothing more. When will people learn that collectivism as in communism and fascism (i.e. fundamental Islam) is the repudiation of individualism and civil liberty? France is playing with fire. I know that philosophy is taught to prep students in France and many parts of Europe, I wonder which kinds of philosophy is said as being better and which are taught as being bad? I'm sure the left wing has a serious grip on the education system in France.

  It is also bad to not teach philosophy, as is the case in our prep schools in the USA.

  Objectivism should be taught in prep schools in my opinion as a way to stop the spread of collectivism, monolithic thinking where all must submit or be ostracized.
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  Mr. Kim

  It figures!
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  Double Edge

  What would people rather have? Conformity? Landslide victories? Isn't that how Hitler started ... with overwhelming popular support?

  Not really. In the May Presidential elections of 1932, Hindenburg defeated Hitler 53% to 37%, but there was no Reichstag majority party. In the July elections, the Nazis won 230 eats with 37% and became the largest German party... four months later they had another election, and the Nazis lost some seats to give them 33%. Hitler was made Chancellor (not voted) with the help of a previously booted chancellor

  Just 4 months after the November elections, another election was held (so much for stability) in March of 1933 , the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NAZI) won 43.9% and 288 of 647 seats in the Reichstag. Hitler took it from there... became a dictator and the rest is history.
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  LDH

  Spartacus,

  You're right. This is scary.

  The pride of home ownership in this country is based on all of the homesteading done during the building of the nation. A man could claim his land and begin to build a future for his family.

  As Delmar said in "O Brother"--"If you don't own land, you ain't no kind of man."

  Lisa
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  Realist

  do you guys know the meaning of democracy? if the US would have a true democratic system with more than the 2 industry controlled parties than you also would have a far right party and a small far left wing which could kept the main parties in check.

  do you really think that the nutcase religious right in the US would have less than 10%? do you really think the US has fewer nazis than any other country? hardly considering US histroy.

  also uncontrolled capitalism is not the god given system that the whole world has to follow! there are btter systems and i am very glad for many reasons that europe has them!