Ray Franz responds to IW issues

by Amazing 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    NOTE: I changed the title from "Talked w/ Ray Franz today" because the new title seems better connected to the original post.

    I discussed the issues Island Woman raised regarding Ray Franz, Ewart Chitty, Leo Greenlees, how this relates to supporting SilentLambs, or how right or wrong Bill Bowen may be.

    Ray Franz stated again, as he did in his earleir post through me, and previous conversations with me, that he has never dealt with any issue regarding pedophilia among JWs. He has no direct information to share regarding Chitty or Greenlees as he was not involved with their leaving the Governing Body or aware of any evidence regarding them and this issue. He will not deal with rumor, inuendo, or unproven speculation that could sully people's reputations. Ray has absolutely no idea what she is talking about, and unless she or someone else can step forward with some specifics, he cannot give a better reply.

    I also refer everyone back to Ray's post through me where he made some good remarks in support of SilentLambs. Ray respects what Bill and others are doing to help deal with this issue. In particular I discussed with Ray the private efforts I have made in providing assistance to attorneys who are dealing with the JW pedophile issue. He found this good and was supportive in the same manner he is with Bill Bowen ... and it seemed satisfactory to me. [I will add the link to this later on]

    If something substantive comes up, please write to Ray Franz at Commentary Press, P.O. Box 43532, Atlanta, GA 30336. This way Ray can deal with issues and questions directly and in greater detail while respecting privacy.

    IW: Check your message on this board. I responded to another issue you raised.

    Jim Whitney

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    Amazing,

    Good work. I don't agree with Ray on everything (ie faith in the Bible) but I tip my hat to his courage, straight-forwardness and honesty. Bluntly put, I trust him. I cannot say the same about others.

    Bradley

  • little witch
    little witch

    He has never dealt with the child abuse issue.....hmmmm

    Seems like a no brainer to me......How sad for him....

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    ..."He has no direct information to share regarding Chitty or Greenlees as he was not involved with their leaving the Governing Body or aware of any evidence regarding them and this issue."...

    Witch, perhaps the quote above is simpler for you to comprehend. Can a man be called a liar after making such a statement? Based on what? The twists and turns of your own suspicious thinking?

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    Here we go again, folks! Hang on!

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    I respect rays position on this. He has no obligation to do more tham he has up to this point. He has basically made his information available to all, which is sufficient to attain to a level of respect, both from himself and from everyone else. His lone crusade, if you can call it that, has done a heck of a lot of good. However, even old crusaders should be left to retire quietly, to rest quietly at the sidelines of the war in their twilight yrs, if they so choose, shouldn't they?

    I did find his words 'no direct knowledge' regarding greenlees and chitty interesting. It doesn't deny indirect information, but in a court of law, that is just equivalent to hearsay. It doesn't stand up.

    SS

  • little witch
    little witch

    Refiners.

    I must now go investigate.....I thought the ''Chitty and Greenless"" thing was about homosexuals..(((OH THE HORROR))) LOL

    Like I said, I am not read up on this thing...I was only addressing myself to child molestation..

    I will go to archives, cause I am lossed over these two individuals...

    Please dont make me a scapegoat for your wrath.....

    I am not your enemy, and dont wanna be........

    If I ever get to the place that I am no longer learning...well, It wouldnt be a good place to be....

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    Thanks Amazing for all your efforts (again) in this area. Hopefully this will put this issue to rest once and for all. I would hope a certain segment of ex-JWs can leave the poor man alone.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Thanks Amazing. Hopefully people will leave the man in peace now.

  • sunshineToo
    sunshineToo

    You know I think Ray Franz may be doubting Bill and the Silent Lambs. I think that's why he doesn't want to get involved in this. Not only that just like Amazing mentioned, he didn't have any idea when he was a member of GB.

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