Why are the evolutionist's so upset?

by Esse quam videri 51 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • cofty
    cofty
    Liking you or not we have a lot of reasons to assume we are more than biology. - John_Man

    No there are no reasons at all. Not even one. Endless repetition doesn't make it so.

    Not only religious reasons... That comes later, you know, after death... The real Judgement will take place

    I don't give a flying fuck about your post-mortem threats. That is the tactic you Catholics have used to oppress and defraud the weak and the poor for millennia. It doesn't work anymore. get over it.

    "Scientism" is a silly, made-up word used by superstitious people who can't support their evidence-free dogma.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Can anybody be bothered to converse with EQV? I can't.

    He seems unaware that the majority of christians have no problem with the fact of evolution. Creationists are a sub-group of hyper-ignorant theists found mostly among Protestant evangelicals and Muslims.

    Their ignorance of science is matched only by their ignorance of their own ignorance.

  • John_Mann
    John_Mann
    No there are no reasons at all. Not even one. Endless repetition doesn't make it so.

    Not even law?

    Law does not distinguish between a non human animal from a human person?



  • cofty
    cofty

    The Law does not comment on whether humans have a metaphysical dimension. Stop playing word games.

  • Anders Andersen
    Anders Andersen
    The evolutionist would argue that the lion had no choice in its behaviour.

    The creationist would argue exactly the same. After all, most God-believers claim that free will is a feature given only to humans, not other animals.


    But it's the creationist who believes it's possible for an all-loving God to create animals that can only sustain themselves by killing other animals.

    Apparently God had no other option to create a world full of specialist killing 'machines' and the poor animals preyed upon?

    So much for love. Your God is either incompetent or an asshole. Or maybe your claims are nonsense...




  • John_Mann
    John_Mann
    The Law does not comment on whether humans have a metaphysical dimension. Stop playing word games.

    Law consider humans different from animals.

    Biologically we're are indistinguishable from animals. There are even similar (or superior) brains in nature (dolphins and whales).

    So if not by biology then by what exactly Law consider humans not only different but also superior?

    Can't you see Law use metaphysical criteria? Things like oath and testimonial evidence for instance.

    Can't you see you being a follower of Scientism you can't even imagine humans using other methods than science to understand the universe?

  • Rainbow_Troll
    Rainbow_Troll
    I am not interested in Darwinian Evolution, or Social Darwinism, only EVOLUTION.

    EVOLUTION is just a word; nothing more. If this confuses you then I suggest looking it up in a dictionary. Biological evolution is a scientific theory, social evolution is not. Do societies evolve? Well, they do change and some are definitely more successful than others, but I would hesitate to equate this process with darwinian evolution. For one thing, changes in society are not always random and, practically speaking, they aren't really adapting to their environment in most cases, but reacting to INTERNAL pressures. In any case I would like to repeat that this would not be a science in the same sense that biological evolution is. It's all speculation at this point.

    Stop calling it a theory please. It's a fact.

    You obviously aren't familiar with scientific terminology. In science a theory is a hypothesis that is well supported by evidence. Biological evolution is a theory; so is gravity. In science the only facts are empirical data, all explanations of that data remain theories no matter how well established they might be. The reason for this terminology is because science is always open to change. If scientists found enough data to refute the theory of biological evolution (unlikely, I know, but I'm being hypothetical here) then they would renounce it and try to come up with a new theory.

    However, back to evolution. World War 1 for example. We may talk about the immediate cause but it says nothing for how this behavior developed in evolutionary time. We may come up with explanations about what brought on WW 1 but to understand why war exists we must look to evolution for an explanation. These two explanations are not competing with each other. They must support each other and both must be understood to properly comprehend the event. How does evolution dictate the everyday decisions of humankind?

    Google evolutionary psychology. Also, I think Islamic extremism would be better explained in terms of memetics. the 'meme' is a word coined by Richard Dawkins and is supposed to be the mental equivalent of a gene. Just as selfish genes compete with one another for dominance, thus driving the process of biological evolution, memes are ideas which compete with one another in the minds of human beings. Islam could be considered a meme, as could any religion or ideology. Successful memes encourage their hosts (human brains) to reproduce them either through writing, word-of-mouth or conquest. Since Islam contains the imperative to convert the entire world using any means necessary, it might possibly be the most successful meme ever conceived.

    As for your contention that evolutionists cannot "have their cake and eat it too"? You are being silly. I can fully recognize that evolution best explains the variety of life on this planet and possibly human behavior as well, without having to condone every instance of it. Just because it is true that spiders evolved, it does not follow that I should love spiders. Even if evolutionary psychology could explain antisocial behaviors like rape, genocide and terrorism, I am not obliged to condone these actions any more than a Christian would condone Satan's actions because he was created by God. I don't understand how you could make such an illogical leap.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    From what I can tell most churches officially support evolution: Catholic Church, Anglican Church and so on.

    However most Christians themselves reject evolution. For example in the United States only 19% of the general population believes in evolution, although this number is rising. Among those who attend church weekly, only 1% believe in evolution, and among those who attend once a month 9% believe in evolution.

    Creationism is the most popular view among Christians and among the general population in the United States.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

  • unsure
    unsure
    So if not by biology then by what exactly Law consider humans not only different but also superior?

    One could argue that law is used to preserve our own species. Almost all living species put their own kind first. This is a function of evolution; nothing metaphysical. Everybody "thinks" their own "team" is superior. Superiority can be biased and subjective.

  • John_Mann
    John_Mann
    One could argue that law is used to preserve our own species. Almost all living species put their own kind first. This is a function of evolution; nothing metaphysical. Everybody "thinks" their own "team" is superior. Superiority can be biased and subjective.

    Law it's not biased a priori towards humans.

    If a hypothetical strong AI could pass the Turing test our Law would accept it.

    Actually there are political groups that want to give legal status to some primates. But always failing...



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