'Divisions' in the EXJW World: Thoughts, Please!

by lisaBObeesa 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa

    Doesn’t it seem that the people who have been out of the JWs for a while have, for the most part, divided into two ‘political parties’? We have the group who is ‘pro-trying-to-bringing-down-the-WT’ and the group that is ‘anti-trying-to-bring-down-the WT’. Of course we have a bunch of ‘Independents’, too. Oh and the ‘Reformers!’

    What are your thoughts on these divisions? Do you feel they are significant to the way the posters on this board get along with each other? Do you identify with one position or another?

    If you are a ‘reformer’ could you ever lend support to a cause run by some ‘pro-trying-to-bringing-down-the-WT’s? Or if you are a ‘pro-trying-to-bringing-down-the-WT’er, could you ever lend support to a cause run by some ‘Reformers’? (and can you think of some shorter names for these groups? LOL!)

    How important are these divisions in the exJW community? How much do they affect us?

    -LisaBOBeesa

  • GinnyTosken
    GinnyTosken

    Although I've observed the differences you describe, I don't think in terms of "political parties" when I interact with people on the board.

    I am personally wary of the goal of "bringing down the WT." I get the impression that some folks believe that if the Watchtower Society were gone, the followers would miraculously be freed from twisted beliefs and behavior. Consider this:

    Several speakers for the Commission highlighted this paradox: What is odd about cults is that, particularly during the process leading to membership, the victim is an actor [‘actor’ in the literal sense of one who acts, one who does, is not a passive victim]. A certain parallel can be established with the stages of drug addicts: "We have controversies with parents of drug addicts. These parents think--and in a way, they’re right--that without the horrible dealer their child would be an angel. They forget the nine tenths of the way that the unfortunate child traversed, responsibly or not, but of his own will, to go into the arms of the aforesaid dealer. One should not forget the voluntary share of the follower, who is not an imbecile that one would manipulate - it is you and me--, but (...) who went deliberately." In this light, the cult recruiters could be regarded as "dealers of transcendence." In this respect, an analogy used by a person heard by the Commission seems to clearly illustrate the conscious character of the steps of the future follower: "Cults are not a net that falls down on people, but a lobster trap into which they swim."

    from "Les Sectes en France," December 22, 1995

    If the JW "drug" were off the market, I believe many people would find a substitute drug. The key is to treat the addiction itself.

    I agree that the WT Society shoulders a heavy share of blame. At the same time, I do not want to forget the share shouldered by the followers themselves for choosing to give these men power over their lives.

    I hope to see efforts continue at both ends--dismantling the lobster trap set by the GB, and giving people the information they need to make informed decisions so they will recognize lobster traps wherever they occur, e.g. religion, politics, finance, relationships.

    My hope is that the divisions in the XJW world will balance and moderate each other. After reading Eric Hoffer, I am also wary of "causes," yet I wonder if the pendulum will have to make several extreme swings before it eventually settles into a more gentle rhythm in the middle.

    Ginny

  • SYN
    SYN

    Ginny makes an excellent point. You can take Witness away from the Tower, but you can't take the Tower away from the Witness!

    Reform is the only practical method for change within our "generation", so to speak.

    But, realistically, it's difficult to see the Tower "being destroyed" in any significant way within our lifetimes, except perhaps financially.

  • cat1759
    cat1759

    Lisa great points to ponder.

    I am not a reformer, follower, or connected to anything.

    The only thing I have supported were my children because that was two fulltime jobs in of itself.

    Now that I have some time I might do more after I get the knowledge that I am looking for.

    I have never been a fence sitter but I have had to much responsibilty in my life to help others.

    I believe we must take care of ourselves first and foremost before we can help others and I take no viewpoints that I have not researched myself.

    I do not find fault with paths that others take because that is their calling. Franz has his following and I don't think he wanted a following and Bowen has his and I don't personally think he did any of what he did because he wanted a following. I don't believe that anyone that comes away from JWS truly wants a following. They do the things they do because they believe in them. They have researched, they have seen the atrocities suffered on by the flock. They want to open eyes to freedom and a fruitful life. NO more guilt or fear.

    Doesn't this do exactly what Jesus stated in Matthew about loving God and man with everything we have? Never to judge others because maybe the rafter in our eye is bigger than the straw in the one we are judging?

    We all come here with different viewpoints. We are all at different stages of healing. All should be respected because others might not be as far along in their healing as we are. Imagine the shock of someone who just found out facts about the society and come here to find information only to find information that they had no idea about because it was all hidden and we all know that this site is forbidden by the society. When in actuality it is a site about love and giving. A safe zone. They find out it is completely opposite of what the society has deemed wrong, apostacy. Feelings emerge, knowledge abounds, the light bulb goes on.

    Cathy

  • Gamaliel
    Gamaliel

    I think a lot of us tend to draw conclusions about exJWs in terms of the 1% or less that post on exJW sites. The other 99% are ignored.

    Gamaliel

  • unique1
    unique1

    It seems to me that differences are what make life interesting. This board would be BORING if everyone believed the exact same thing. That would give a whole new meaning to the borg. I feel that everyone is entitled to believe what they want to believe and express their views. I enjoy seeing the differences on the board. I enjoy the open discussions of people who view things differently. It keeps the board interesting.

  • maxwell
    maxwell

    If I had to classify myself, I suppose I'd be "independent". I don't feel any great need to work toward pulling down the watchtower. But I'm not anti-pull them down, although I really doubt that will ever happen. And I doubt there will ever be any radical reform. There will continue to be "new light" and they will change slowly but not necessarily in a positive way all the time.

    And I agree about the internet community of exJW's not being particularly representative. I've met six ex-JW at meetups. None of them post on ex-JW message boards or have any aspirations to pull down or reform the Watchtower. Their lives are full with other things like work, family and friends. How many more don't use the Internet at all. I'd guess that even in thw US there are still about half that don't have Internet access. Many lack the finances and many simply have no interest in the Internet.

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa

    Thanks for the replies.

    Point taken about many exJWs not even being on the internet.

    Maybe I should have said, '.....on exJW internet boards' instead of, 'in the exJW world.'

    Also, another thought:

    I am thinking that for any exJW movement to succeed (reform or whatever), it would have to take these divisions seriously, and find a way to work with, if not appease, the members of the opposing ‘party’.

    -LisaBObeesa

  • undercover
    undercover
    Doesn’t it seem that the people who have been out of the JWs for a while have, for the most part, divided into two ‘political parties’?

    But isn't it great that you have the freedom to think and express those thoughts? While XJWs will have arguments and disagreements, it shows that free will and thinking are alive and well in them. Go see if you can find a JW with that priviledge.

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa
    But isn't it great that you have the freedom to think and express those thoughts?

    Yes! I hope people don't think I am saying these divisions are a bad thing. I'm just pointing them out and thinking about them. :)

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