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New threat in Terror attacks
by obiwan 24 Replies latest social current
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Bendrr
New threat of potential hijackings huh?
Let me tell y'all something. Remember flight 93? The fourth plane on 9/11?
The government can issue all the new warnings they want to but 9/11 is all the flying public needs to see. Sure we'd love to see sky marshalls and armed pilots and cockpit doors lined with bacon. But you know what? Next time some jackass tries to hijack a plane the sky marshall, if one happens to be on that flight, isn't going to make it to the hijacker in time. The passengers are going to remember 9/11 and tear the son of a b to pieces.
Mike.
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Latin assassin from Manhattan
Hamas,
I appreciate the effort you put into your response and don't get me wrong when I talk to you about this subject. No matter what anyone says or thinks on this forum, I have the highest respect for everyone including you.
Now getting to our subject, I have to say that the left picture of Osama is not the same as the image of Osama that was seen on the video. I've been in the multimedia and web development biz for over 10 years and I can spot the image -and I can spot the image-smoothing and despeckling a mile away. It's pretty obvious that the image on the right was produced by an amateur with Adobe Photoshop on his PC.
If both of these images are supposed to be from a video, why is it that you can barely see Osama's ear on the left image? You can barely see the detail on his camoflage jacket. On the right hand image, you can easily see this detail - it hasn't been edited. I'm sure you got this from an amateur consipracy web site or even from a pro Bin Laden site.
Where have you read/heard that Osama denied responsibility for the attacks - can you provide some documentation for this?
T he two gentlemen that you mentioned from Germany, Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini and Professor Gernot Rotter - what makes them an authority on the matter of translation? Do they have the kind of audio/visual equipment/linguistic skillset employed by the CIA or the FBI to determine what was said? What is the opinion of the international news media on this matter? As far as I can tell, the majority of the informed and educated world is certain that Al Qaeda was behind all of this.
If the Al Qaeda organization didn't mastermind the hijackings than who did? Who is responsible for all the other terrorist attacks (the U.S.S. Cole, the U.S. embassy?) Where did we get the 19 hijackers from? What about Zacarias Moussaoui ('the 20th hijacker) and Richard Reid (the 'shoe bomber')? They both admitted to being supportive of Al Qaeda and admitted to training in Afghanistan (do you want the transcripts?). Are you saying that they're innocent too? What about the footage of the training camps? Are you saying that this is fake also?
Your explanation of the Payne Stewart incident is irrelevant because this happened 2 years before 9/11. Even then, you didn't explain what airbase the fighter jet took off from in order to intercept the private jet as fast as it did. If the airbase was anywhere near Texas or Florida, there is no way that it could have intercepted a 747 in the Northeast unless it had enough lead time. This fact has already been well documented by the FAA.
Again Hamas, I respect your opinion, but I think that the evidence you provided is pretty weak. Something tells me that you support the cause of Al Qaeda, but for whatever reason you're afraid to admit it.
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ApagaLaLuz
Keep your fingers crossed for me......
I am leaving next Thursday the 8th from the West Coast to Philadelphia on the East Coast, and then to Madrid and Malaga Spain, and returning the 17th.
I heard this warning, but I refuse to cancel my plans. If something should happen, I guarantee we're not going down without one helluva fight! I'm even going to wear my big shoes.
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Shakita
Want to know where these "threats" are coming from....
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,472346,00.html?cnn=yes
Question is...."How and why do you trust an informant who has nothing to gain by selling out?"
It also seems that the threat has changed from airlines to ferry and cruise ships. The informant must have gotten his targets mixed up during interrogation.....
Mrs. Shakita
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obiwan
Or maybe he's had the crap beaten out of him so many times, he'll say anything.
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Mr. Kim
Did anyone READ the NEW LAWS such as the Patriot Act one & Two? How about the new "strengthing" laws passed to give ADDITIONAL power and control? Did anyone do ANY homework?
Get ready for your "background" checks before you fly the friendly skies!
The ultimate goal is to scare the American Public into giving up more & more freedoms under the guise that everyone can be protected IF all of your individual freedoms are given up and away to the people in charge.--and it is always the same "Shadow Government" since the 1960s.There is so much more to the "terror threats" and the "Homeland Security" agency. Right out of Nazi Germany!
Why are the American Citizens cast as the "bad guys" by the American Government? Americans are the ones being harassed by the Feds. What about the open borders? The illegal people in the United States? The "foreign" people have more rights than the Citizens. Something is not the way it should be.
Never give up trying to do what is right and just. But, by the time people wake up (if ever) it will be and probably already is TOO LATE!
Good Luck.......
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searchfothetruth
Spot-on mr Kim,
People will blinly give up their freedoms if they are told that they are threatened and the new laws are there to protect them.
Who really benefits from the new laws, the public?
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Hamas
Hi Latin.
I appreciate your enthusiasm on this subject, although I think it makes you come to certain inaccurate conclusions concerning my beliefs.
Allow me to quote from your post.
Something tells me that you support the cause of Al Qaeda, but for whatever reason you're afraid to admit it
Firstly, if Al Qaeda does exist the way in which they are portrayed, in no way, shape or form do I support their cause. I will never support an organization that places a religious obligation on it's followers to kill thousands of innocent civilians. For some people, terrorism is the last thing they have left; yet for these people, terrorism is their one and only priority. Just like any terrorist group, their actions should be condemned. And finally, please realise that you have only been a member on this board for five minutes and to state that I am afraid to admit something is contary to my posts in the past. If you examine my previous posts, you will note that I hold no barriers and say whatever I wish.
On the subject of the video, I mentioned that point as it has come in for heavy criticism from all quaters of the world. Don't make the mistake of believing that just because it is the CIA and FBI with their hi-tech equipment that interpreted what was said on this film, on this basis it must be correct ! A foolish decision indeed; remember the way in which we used to believe everything that the Governing Body used to tell us, because we thought that they could do no wrong ? Applying this same rule for so called talking heads and experts would lead to the same foolhardy conclusions. What makes those two people from Germany an authority on this matter ? The same that makes the FBI and the CIA authority on this matter ! Just because they are showing facts from a different perspective makes them no less or more authorized to comment on this subject.
Check this link concerning this. It shows how this conclusion was made by those Germans.
http://www.rense.com/general18/inac.htm
Concerning Bin Laden and his apparent denial of the attacks of September 11, I did not hear this version of events on some crazy conspiracy site. I have no time for conspiracy theories at all. They bore me, to be honest. Here is the link to this information. It shows that Osama Bin Laden accepted an interview and claimed that he had no knowledge of the attacks and was not involved.
http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html
If Bin Laden was so adament that he was not guilty, why would he be so foolish as to leave a videotape laying around Afghanistan which gave the United States the perfect oppertunity to come after him ?! Most of all, he knew that this would lead the way for the United States to wage war on his Islamic brotherhood.
If the Al Qaeda organization didn't mastermind the hijackings than who did?
Good question. One that the future will make known, I am sure ! Concerning the other terrorist attacks you mentioned, Bin Laden has never admitted responsibility for them, either. In fact, no proof has been published concerning this; just as we have seen no proof linking Iraq to Al Queda, or Al Queda to 9/11, or even those magical Weapons of Mass Destruction that we were tricked into believing that Saddam had !
Regarding other terrorist attacks, we seem to hear very little about the attack on the USS Liberty, in which 35 American sailors were murdered and 170 others injured! No investigation has ever been ordered into this; an event intended to leave Egypt with the blame. In 1955, Israeli agents were caught impersonating Arabs staging a series of bombings against American installations in Eygpt. Also, in the 1980's, Israeli agents framed Libya for the bombing of a German nightclub which led to the deaths of American servicemen. In 1986, Reagan retaliated by bombing Libya; yet the truth was, as revealed by Victor Ostrovsky, a Mossad agent who has since deflected, that this event was staged by Mossad officials, eager to drag the United States into fighting their war!
Latin, why do you think these terrorist attacks are hushed up while others are more widely publicised ? After September 11, ex Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nethanyahu told reporters that the attacks would 'generate immediate sympathy for Israel'. Just as the terrorist attacks previously mentioned my friend, 9/11 generated immediate sympathy for Israel.
Where did we get the 19 hijackers from?
Another good question. Well, it may surprise you to learn that seven of the nineteen highjackers are alive and well ! In the aftermath of Septmeber 11, no less than seven of the alledged Arabs come forward to protest their innocence ! Here is a link that confirms this.
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/alive.html
In fact, Robert Mueller, FBI director openly admits that these people were victims of identity theft !
Ask yourself, why would Osama Bin Laden blame fellow Saudi's and attract the wrath of the United States to the Arab world? Why not steal the identities of, lets say, Israeli's ??
On a final note, the Army School of Advanced Military studies complied a report on the Israeli military machine.
Apparently, according to the report, the Israeli army has the ability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian Arab act. Thinking back Latin to Ostrovsky's revelations and other terror attacks, this research seems plausable. Of course, it must be, it is from the FBI !
One final question, Latin. Who benefited the most from those terrorist attacks, whether they be the bombing of the USS Liberty or even September 11? The bombing of the Liberty was at the time of the Arab war. By setting up the Arabs, Israel gained American support. By bombing the German nightclub, Israel gained US support against their old enemy, Libya ! And ultimately by the events of 9/11, America has created a 'war on terror' on Arab states that are against Israeli interests ! In Afghanistan, America removed the Taliban, pro Palestinian and anti Israeli. In Iraq, America removed Saddam's regieme, a regieme pro Palestinian to the point of funding Palestinian groups such as Hamas, the PLO, Islamic Jihad and Hezebollah ! What a remarkable convenience for Israel !
Latin, I am not denying the fact that there may well be terror camps around the world set up with design to bring down America. The United States has many enemies, and history will continue to spit in the face of Uncle Sam. Yet I find the evidence concerning Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's guilt to weak to agree that they are in fact guilty of these terrible crimes.
I hope I have explained myself, Latin. Peace to you.