Need input: JW brainwashed fantasy vs. real world reality during evacuation

goingthruthemotions

Hello all, hope everyone is doing good!!!!

So my wife tells me yesterday....on Saturday we having a emergency disaster class on Saturday. Kinda like most corporation have and it's through zoom. I could tell you all now, i hear the word zoom and makes my skin crawl. I am an avid investor and i will not drop a dime into zoom stock for the fact they are being used by the BORG.

Anyways, i digress.

So i ask her, " So if there's a disaster would you choose to go with the JW's or stay with me and the our two son's?"

her answer. "Well you chose to leave the JW's and i strongly believe what i believe".

I am like so in other words you would chose them.

I said, " you know we left for a reason and you don't even try and understand why we left, there more important to you than us."

she said. " well you chose to leave."

and i said " well i was hoping you would have left with us and chose you real family"

there was more, but that is the jist of it.

Fantasy vs. Reality

Her fantasy brainwash is this. " if there is a disaster and people need to be evacuated, the elders will round everyone up on a white horse and take them to the KH, and then wait to get direction from the GBidots. They will be provided with all they need i.e. food, toilet paper, ground beef, popsicles all the good stuff. And then march into the new system arm in arm.

Reality, The JW's have no clue what to do and will lean on wordly govenments to provide what they need. just like now. They have a veil thin exterior that decieves people. In a disaster she is not going anywhere. Reality is, she is not going to leave me and our son's

Sometimes I say, F*&% it and just get a divorce. but, when not in cult mode she is awesome and in reality she needs me more than ever now. especially during this pandamic. Because as menitoned her religion does nothing for her in reality, maybe a check in here an there. but there not providing food, clothes etc for her or anyone and i am sure they have a larger than normal percent of people unemployed due to lack of education and non escential employeement...it's a publishing house that only think of themselves.

Vidiot

goingthuthemotions - "...The JWs have no clue what to do and will lean on worldly governments to provide what they need..."

Ironic just how dependent on "Satan's World" "God's Exclusive Earthly Organization" is for its survival, isn't it?

goingthruthemotions

Yes, so Ironic. she tells me the other day.

her "all you think about is money"

me "some has to and i gurantee there are people in your religion who do the same"

me " don't act those witnesses who bash the govenments and then look for a handout"

Damn cult

road to nowhere

Geez. Disaster drill? What disaster ever came on a convenient schedule? As for getting into a group, the advice is to go to the worldly shelters, or a relative( preferably believing) When they went to the Astrodome witb signs to extract witnesses it was to place them in a private home somewhere. Not a compound or any place that would cost money.

Better to rely on catholic relief, salvation army OR the better organized mormons and hope for compassion.

Pete Zahut

Pete Zahut44 minutes ago

What George Carlin says about the Government, can also be applied to JW's. The JW organization offers the feeling...the illusion of security and JW's have become neurotic about perfection and so obsessed with security that they are willing to trade away their freedom and often their family members in exchange for the illusion of security.

What we are going through now is a world wide disaster of sorts and all that JW's have to offer is information that they've cut and pasted from government guidelines and empty soothing words but noting in terms of tangible help. Why is this disaster any different than any other disaster she is expecting to face? If they don't have anything to offer now, what will they have to offer If there are worse disasters in store for us?

The JW's that are currently out of work or in trouble financially, physically or mentally because of the pandemic have turned to the worlds governments to get any kind of real time help, just like everyone else has. If your family was in trouble, her JW friends might offer her encouragement over the phone for a few days but they'd have nothing to offer in the way of real help...not for very long anyway.

My wife's Uncle is a long time Elder and his wife has regular Pioneered for decades. (wonderful people with 5 kids) At the time he was a substitute C.O and was also in charge of the finances at the assemblies etc. There was a lot of "tribulation talk" going on back around 9/11when my kids were small. In terms of the "great tribulation" we were all thinking when the towers came down, "this could be it". I was telling him that I was worried about how I was going to feed and protect them during the Tribulation if I were to loose my job. I asked him what he'd do if his business went under because the economy crashes during the tribulation. He said he'd move to where he could find work. I asked him about leaving the all Brothers and Sisters in his congregation behind who need direction and he said "Jehovah doesn't expect me to let my kids starve...I'm not in charge of other people's lives".

This was a real eye opener for me. Up to that point, I had naively believed that the we as JW's would band together during the tribulation and the Elders would be guiding us through whatever happened. Apparently he had a much different idea about it.

If my wife told me that she was going to dump me the minute anything went seriously wrong in the world, instead of rally around me, I'd have to seriously re-evaluate the future of our relationship.

Ask your wife if she were to suddenly to become a lone divorcee right now, how many of her JW friends would include her in social gatherings or put up with her need for emotional support on a long term basis? Ask her what the plan is when the things she has in her "to go" bag have all been used up and there's nothing left in anyone else's to go bags either, who will she turn to if you're not there?

JW's tend to live in a fantasy world when it come to "the tribulation" they don't think of it with any detail. Ask her for specific names of who she will turn to, what they will have to offer her and for how long. Ask her to paint a detailed picture for you and describe where she is, who she's with and where you and your boys are when she's using her "to go bag".

goingthruthemotions

I hear what your saying Pete Zahut, our son's are older 22 and 17.....we have been married for 31 yrs. I was only in the cult for 5 years and only 3 of those were somewhat serious.

she was born in and inactive for the hug majority of our relationship. although looking back she was POMI. anyways at this point i would lose to much money and investments if i got a divorce. If something like a situation where they ask her to get her bag and go. Which i find so astronomically unlikely, at that point we are done. i would not take her back.

she could rot for all i care.

DesirousOfChange

Reality, The JW's have no clue......

Actually, that about sums it all up.

LongHairGal

PETE ZAHUT:

Again, what that brother said sums up what would REALLY happen if (God forbid) things became really dire. The ‘brotherhood’ is an illusion that will evaporate. I knew this years ago.

Back in the day when everybody was younger and WItnesses were at gatherings feeling good, etc..it was easy to think that people would ‘be there’ for you.. Of course, nobody thought about age, people moving away, people leaving the religion OR a worldwide pandemic that would stop everything in its tracks.

This Covid crisis had better be a wakeup call for the JWs. I would rather KNOW I am on my own than have a false hope that I’m going to have support that ends up not materializing.

As you said, if the religion only offers up advice already published elsewhere and NOT offer a morsel of material assistance now - what good would they possibly be at some future time in a worse predicament?

JeffT

When Mt. St. Helens exploded in 1980 (Monday is the 40th anniversary) my wife and I were living about 250 miles downwind. By late afternoon the sky was completly blotted out, and the ash started falling. For the next week at least the roads were impassible, the state patrol was handing out tickets to anybody that wasn't driving an offical vehicle. In the middle of all this I get a phone call from an elder who tells me they had "called Bethel and had permission to cancel the meetings and field service."

Looking back on it, I wonder what would have happened if none of the local guys even thought of calling NY. Maybe we'd have tried to all get to the meetings and gotten busted in the process.

smiddy3

What we are going through now is a world wide disaster of sorts and all that JW's have to offer is information that they've cut and pasted from government guidelines and empty soothing words but nothing in terms of tangible help.

So true, so very bloody true.Never was a truer word said.To coin a phrase.

Need input: JW brainwashed fantasy vs. real world reality during evacuation

Pete Zahut44 minutes ago

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