by wannaexit 11 Replies latest jw friends
There has always been a hierarchy among elders. Now it's been validated by Kenneth Flodin in this talk about the word "princes". So not any elder can be a prince in the new order. Oh no, you have to be a governing body helper, or a district overseer etc. Have a look at 3:30 if you don't want to listen to the whole thing.
http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODProgramsEvents/pub-jwbmw_201603_1_VIDEO
So. . . . .
Using Flodin's "garlic bread" analysis of human spirituality, would a "prince" be a thick slice of "Texas toast"?
Or perhaps a really nice Jewish Rye with butter?
Cinnamon rasin loaf?
Starting at :40min Flodin says the following: 'Who are the Princes? We have consistently indicated that these are the appointed Elders since 1914.' REALLY KEN? HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT WITH THE AMOUNT OF LIES YOU CONTINUE TO PRESENT TO 'THE FLOCK'? Until the 1932 two-part Watchtower article entitled "Jehovah's Organization" all Elders were democratically elected by their local congregations. Prior to 1932 the local body of elders was NOT appointed by the Watchtower Society and their 'fictitious' (revised history) governing body. They sealed the deal only in 1938 with the publication of the articles entitled: "Unity in action", "Organization part one" and 'Organization part two."
Lol!!! I think Abraham and progeny would take exception to that silliness. Those idiots won't be in charge of anything. No 3rd parties required.
Besides, if resurrected ones are neither male nor female, like the angels, how's that going to work? Angels or the like don't take direction from imperfect humans. You would think people there would be sick and tired of others interference ... that's no paradise.
IF I wasn't "saved" because of your blood and sacrifice to get into paradise, you can piss off.
His assumptions are very offensive to every Elder serving. He is telling them that Jesus will appoint men from amongst those in positions higher than themselves, the CO's and GB helpers. There are a number of Elders who have more sincere spiritual qualities than those serving higher up. It's usually their circumstances or their being overlooked for appointment that keeps them in the positions that they are in. They are the ones that have had families and take their jobs seriously in being the financial provider.
They pretend to know what is going to happen in the future and have been spouting off with new ideas of late. Jackson made mention of it in this months Broadcast. They are pulling out their ideas from nowhere but rattle of scriptures plucked from here and there and in this case, Flodin reads out from publications as if they are from the bible itself.
Why is it that immediately after Armageddon the number required to serve as 'Princes' will be significantly reduced? As a rough estimate there would be approximately 1 CO for 75 Elders (I've got no idea and it is purely based on 1 CO controlling 15 congregations with 5 Elders in each). That's one 'Prince' for every 1,500 people. He's instantly going to need superhuman powers.
Then Flodin has to somehow include the females. They've been doing this a lot lately. Even though there will be no such appointments for them (unless they're going to heaven) but they must reach out and attain the same qualities as the Elders. He twisted the scripture which explains the qualities required of appointed men, even though he denied it in one breath but by doing so, he says females should be taking on the role of 'presiding over her own household'. (1 Tim 2:3&4). Surely they see that as the husbands role but this just demonstrates how they're happy to misapply scripture.
It really irked me when he said that twice a year they review MS's to see whether they should be appointed as Elders. How about they implement a system where twice a year, they review whether an Elder, CO, GB helper and even a GB member should retain their positions? Their whole structure would fail if they were responsible enough to do this.
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excellent review of this.
We should start predicting (or is that prophesying) what amazing New Light is due next, maybe elders judged by the contributions of their congregation when appointing Prices, a ban on milk, after all, cows have blood! Or need for titles for the revered ones, Saint Stephen or Lord Flodin. Maybe even Majesty Jackson . Then again they are so desperate to keep up the drivel to distract the flock that they could just about do anything. You just could not make it up (but they do!)
Hmm, Flodin is a "GB helper", so I guess he just nominated himself to be a future "prince".
As Gomer Pyle would say, "Surprise, surprise, surprise!"
