No doubt there are some who wake up, but the majority? I doubt it. It is similar to the JW cult mentality. They don't wake up unless they somehow get a crack in the mind control, regardless of evidence or hurt.
Soon will be no choice but to invade North Korea.
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nonjwspouse
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TerryWalstrom
There will be no war. No invasion. This, as per usual, Kabuki theater (even if it is N.Korea.)
We justify spending on weapons using the threat of a 'crazy' and evil strong man.
The last time we were attacked domestically, we got the idea we needed to punish somebody even though the perpetrators died in the plane crashes.
Saddam was an evil strong man with WMD's. Except...well, you know.
He had zero to do with nine eleven. Oh, and those weapons?
Afghanistan is baloney. Iraq is baloney.
We supply weapons and support ISIS rebels in Syria.
Trump couldn't get one word of positive description UNTIL he launched 59 cruise missiles. Suddenly, he was tossed garlands, pats on the back, and the Russia conspiracy story is melting like an ice cream cone in August.
We ex-JW's were once held in thrall by a cult of men who made things up out of imagination as a pretext to get us to do their bidding.
We need to have learned something from that. (Like NOT letting it happen politically.) -
fulltimestudent
Would the US react if the north Koreans shot down an American plane?
They did not when two NK fighters shot down one of these...
That was back at the start of Nixon's presidency. Todd Crowell, personally involved, tells his story:
" I was a young air force lieutenant stationed with the 347th Fighter Wing at Yokota air base as an intelligence officer for a squadron of F-4 Phantoms."
The rest of his story can be found at:
http://www.atimes.com/article/story-another-time-us-came-close-attacking-north-korea/
Why didn't Nixon order a retaliatory strike? Crowell believes that the US had its hands full in its war on Vietnam and another war may have been too much for the American war machine.
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fulltimestudent
There is another aspect to the so-called crisis on the Korean peninsula. Let me start by saying that any thought of some similarity in national sentiment between the North and the South is likely wrong. Why? To understand this we have to go back in history, to the time when Korea became divided, a division that reflected not just political differences, but an ideological difference, also. That ideological difference developed during the 35 year Japanese occupation of Korea. Japan made a determined effort to turn the Koreans into Japanese. Anyone wanting to get on in life, accepted that and became, at least, Japanese sympathisers. During WW2 many Koreans fought in the Japanese army. But other Koreans went the other way, and became underground fighters against the Japanese occupation. The first President of the northern Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Kim Il Sung claimed to be one of those guerilla's. IF so he lived on the edge for years, continually hunted by the Japanese Army both in northern Korea and in Manchuria, which the Japanese had seized from China and re-named it as Manchukuo. When finally things got too hot for him, he fled into Russia, where the Russian army inducted him into the Russian army. It was there, as he watched the massive USSR build up in 1945, that he likely became enamoured with the power of a centralised state and became a communist. This division between those who fought the Japanese occupation and those who helped the Japanese created enormous bitterness. There were other factors also, the western powers had given little thought to the Koreans and were very ignorant of what was happening. If the Americans and English had been better informed, the division between the Communist north and the so-called free south may not have occurred.
But when the division did come, anyone in the North that had been a Japanese sympathiser, or served in the Japanese Army fled to the south. While others for the opposite reasons, fled to the North. In the north the USSR selected Kim Il Sung as leader, and in the south the Americans selected an exiled Korean Syngman Rhee as their choice and 'parachuted' him into the Republic of Korea as President. Rhee was fervently anti-communist and both the north and south, convinced that their way was the only war, commenced a military re-armament in order to unite Korea under one government by force.
In those years the north made greater progress in industrialisation and re-building than the south, some, at least of that progress was from Soviet assistance. In later years the south has done better, due to an extent to American assistance.
So how, if it became possible, would these two ethically identical, but ideologically separated peoples, ever be united into one national group again. It is thought by many scholars of the Koreans, that would be a far greater problem than faced divided Germany.
Some think it could cost something like 3 trillion dollars and to take years to achieve.
Ideollogically, the north fits better into modern China, (and, remember the border provinces of the Dongbei (the former Manchukuo) have a large population of ethnic Koreans) but it is difficult to see whatever form a replacement government for the Kim regime may take, its difficult to see it agreeing to unite with China. And considering the even greater bitterness between the north and the south, it is unlikely that they would agree to unite with the south. It may be then, that there can be no unified Korea.
If any military action decimates sections of the north, who will pay for it to be re-built? It is thought by many, that the southern population will not want to pay for the north, another reason to think that there will be two Koreas in the foreseeable future.
When the west considers any military strikes, they should be considering the possible result if the north collapses. It comes back to the solution I mentioned in a previous post advocated by a former Australian PM - No sanctions, No unnecessary military action- and Yes! do everything possible to build a strong middle class.
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Witness 007
China is moving away from crazy ass cousin North Korea. It is not 1955 anymore, sanctions have been made. Diplomatic wise it is distancing it self. Too much to loose.
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OUTLAW
Today..
N.Korea`s Pillsbury Dough Boy..
Says a plot by the CIA to kill him, was "Foiled"..
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Village Idiot
Outlaw, you're the best!
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redvip2000
War against Korea would be complete catastrophe. Yes of course we would win, but the cost would be too high.
So for all intents and purposes, any resolution will have to come from another avenue.
I doubt diplomacy alone will do it, this will have to be some sort of agreement that will bring some real gains for the "Chubby Kid" dictatorship in financial terms.
Perhaps something similar to the deal Obama made with Iran, which even the Trumpian regime is force to admit it's working after trashing it during the campaign, and was much cheaper than going to war.
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redvip2000
Would the US react if the north Koreans shot down an American plane?They did not when two NK fighters shot down one of these...
Highly doubt the story would be the same now. I'm almost certain the US under the Trump dictatorcircus would retaliate, even if it was a tepid one, to be able to show they did something.
Now, of course the danger there, is that Chubby Jon IL would escalate things to the point of full out war. I want to think that he wouldn't be that crazy and that he would force that national TV to report that every single American missile was off target.
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Anony Mous
The problem with NK is that they are held up by China and to some point even Russia to keep US troops in SK at a distance.
If the US occupies NK, they can put missiles at China's border, they won't allow it and everyone knows it even though the NK leader is a bit of a nutcase. If you're looking at anyone to invade NK it will be China, not SK or the US.
What's interesting is what every previous administration failed to do, and what Trump succeeded in is making NK nukes a Chinese problem. China knows it's holding a hot potato with NK, they don't want to occupy it because they want NK as a buffer or lightning rod but on the other hand they run the risk that if "Dear Leader" goes off his rocker the "West" will occupy the area.
In his 'nice meeting' with Jinping, most people think Trump was brash in issuing an ultimatum, but in reality, you have to look at the first part of the sentence - "I'm sure China can take care of the problem", which is an interesting negotiation tactic especially for Asian cultures, if they don't do anything and NK keeps trying to nuke Japan, they would be considered as incapable of taking care of North Korea, they'll lose respect so they were forced to start threatening with sanctions which is the first time in decades they even lifted a finger and NK had an aneurysm at the UN.