Trump Says Biden “Won” The Election But It Was Rigged

by minimus 167 Replies latest jw friends

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  MeanMrMustard

  If the electoral college can’t certify, and the court can’t resolve it because they don’t know how to remedy fraud, constitutionally, it goes to the House for a majority vote, but it’s by state delegation. That is, each state gets one vote. If, for whatever reason, the House can’t come to a decision and vote by January 20, then I believe the speaker of the new House session is sworn in - which in this case would be Pelosi.

  Also, if the electoral college meets and votes and someone gets to 270, then the House can either choose to accept it, or it can be contested there. And from there it can refuse to certify and hold a vote.

  My opinion, though, is that if the electoral college can come to a decision, then the House will certify it and move forward. The sum of all fears (for everyone) would be a Pelosi presidency.

  I think this is the procedure - but I could be wrong.
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  minimus

  This isn’t simply about Trump or Biden. It’s about the presidency. If there is widespread fraud and an election is very questionable, rules and regulations have to be in place and followed to make sure there is no deception.
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  Incognito

  Minimus, it's not just about the Presidency. It's about the integrity of all elections.

  The appearance of this election is of corruption which no doubt leads many voters to now doubt their vote is of any value. This will include some Democrats that maybe currently happy their candidate appears to have won this election, but are not blind to see how that likely occurred.

  Unfortunately, too many only know what mainstream media report and what social media allow to be posted.

  Without a full investigation and a means to restore trust and faith in the process, will potential voters even bother voting in the future?

  Who will act to ensure an investigation takes place? Biden?

  I understand it is the delegation of Representatives from each of those states in which the process is questionable who will need to decide who their state is supporting as President.
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  TD

  There are two worlds in collision here. There is the world of social media where people reinforce each other's beliefs, right or wrong.

  And then there is the real world, where you will get eaten alive before a judge if you can't demonstrate the truth of your accusations.

  The proof isn't being presented, not even in today's news conference.
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  minimus

  Incognito, you are correct. All elections are affected by this . Some people blindly will follow the so called majority even if it’s not in reality s majority.
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  Funky

  And then there is the real world, where you will get eaten alive before a judge if you can't demonstrate the truth of your accusations.

  Exactly.

  When the attorneys for Trump are pressed, and the choice is "lie before a judge to appease my client" and "retain my law license", well, option B wins every time.

  30+ court cases so far. Maybe a couple dozen invalid votes found. No evidence of even hundreds, let alone thousands, of "fraudulent" ballots.

  Let me repeat that for the guys in the back. NO EVIDENCE.

  Guys, guys, guys....it's over. If there were evidence of fraud it would have been presented by now.
  

  
  
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  Funky

  If the Supreme Court gets into this, which I think will happen

  What, exactly, is the Supreme court going to "get into"?

  Which case? Specifically? From which state?

  Which case has proceeded to actual judgment that can be reviewed by the SC?

  They're all getting thrown out of court or withdrawn by Trump's own team - there's not even any judgments to be reviewed.
  

  Not to mention, as I noted, earlier, Trump needs 3+ states to overturn their election results. 3+ states = 3+ SC cases.

  It's...not...going...to...happen.

  
  
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  MeanMrMustard

  When the attorneys for Trump are pressed, and the choice is "lie before a judge to appease my client" and "retain my law license", well, option B wins every time.

  Why do you think they are lying? They are gathering hundreds of affidavits. How is that lying?

  30+ court cases so far. Maybe a couple dozen invalid votes found. No evidence of even hundreds, let alone thousands, of "fraudulent" ballots.

  There are law suits being filed by all sorts of groups. Trump’s team filed 3. None have been thrown out. The one they dropped because they didn’t need it anymore - MI didn’t certify. They basically won there.

  But let’s go back to the claim there is “no evidence”. Gathering hundreds of affidavits constitutes evidence, and would be considered such in court. The statistical anomalies constitute evidence as well. They claim documentation of some districts voting 150%, 200%, 300%. When you have 10 times the mail-in ballots, but 1/10th the rejection rate, it constitutes “evidence” of anomalies. Some of the sworn affidavits assert thousands of loose ballots arriving in a van, and ushered into the counting center. Thousands. When Republican poll watchers were kicked out, and votes processed through (as Biden took the lead) that legally could invalidate those votes. Those are hundreds of thousands of votes. All that constitutes “evidence”.

  Let me repeat that for the guys in the back. NO EVIDENCE.

  Yes, there is. Here is an interesting exercise: what would you consider “evidence”?

  Guys, guys, guys....it's over. If there were evidence of fraud it would have been presented by now.

  As stated - some has been. Sydney Powell made some incredible statements about the Dominion voting system. She claims that she doesn’t want to taint the results of the court process, or tip her hand before the trial. Yeah, that kinda sucks because if it were me, and I had evidence of any kind, of those claims, I would get the public involved first. But ultimately this has to be played out. It very well may end up with a Biden presidency. Actually, I would say 90/10 for Biden at this point.
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  MeanMrMustard

  Not to mention, as I noted, earlier, Trump needs 3+ states to overturn their election results. 3+ states = 3+ SC cases.

  Not really. If the validity of the elections is thrown into doubt to the extent that they can’t certify, and the electors can’t vote, then neither candidate gets to 270.

  Then it goes to the House for a vote by state delegation. Probably not going to happen. But he doesn’t need the states to reverse.
  
  
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  TD

  So he (Trump) has about a week?