Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

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  • darkspilver
    darkspilver

    DAY TWO (Wednesday 8 February 2017)

    See also posts and threads regarding: Pre-trial / Day One / Day One Update / Day Five (last day, settlement)

    Please make sure you read the Day One Update BEFORE you read Day Two below!

    From John Redwood (posted 19 February 2017)

    Day 2 – The Return of Thomas Jefferson

    Wednesday morning brought Thomas Jefferson Jr. right back to the witness stand, but not before Spring Grove defense attorney Jud Arron strongly objected to the presence of Detective Lisa Layden, who was scheduled to testify the next day. Aaron cried “Unfair,” claiming that the presence of the detective on day 2 would affect her day 3 testimony. Judge Collins rejected the sequestration order and stated “I’m done with this issue, I’ve ruled on it. It’s a clear issue.”

    Trial resumes with Plaintiff’s attorney Gregg Zeff calling attention again to Exhibit 18B, the July 1, 1989 elder’s letter on confidentiality. Watchtower attorney John Miller immediately objects on “First Amendment” grounds, but is overruled by the judge. Zeff looks at Miller, then the judge, and says “First Amendment your honor?” – Judge Collins tells Zeff to move on. Zeff grills Jefferson on the meaning behind the letter, the intended secrecy and confidentiality, the prevention of lawsuits due to “misuse of the tongue.” Zeff makes his point, and Jefferson is left offering no concise explanation.

    The subject now changed to the persons in charge of Jehovah’s Witnesses:

    Zeff: Do you remember when I asked you for the names of the humans?

    Jefferson: I do

    Zeff: You didn’t give me the name of any, did you, sir?

    Jefferson: I did not

    Zeff: Is the reason you didn’t give me the names of any humans is because they’re secret?

    Jefferson: No. The answer to that question —

    Zeff: That’s all I asked you, sir. Is the reason you didn’t give me the names of any humans is because you wanted to protect them from lawsuits?

    Jefferson: No

    Zeff then re-introduces Jefferson’s prior testimony on the matter of whether Witness elders are clergymen:

    Zeff: Do you remember earlier in the questioning I asked you about this statement: Clergy must report sexual abuse of children to protect the victim from additional harm?

    Jefferson: I do, counselor.

    Zeff: And your answer was you could not agree with that?

    Jefferson: That’s correct, counselor.

    Zeff: And you said you couldn’t agree with that because elders are not clergy. Is that a fair statement?

    Jefferson: That’s a correct statement.

    Zeff: Okay. What is your definition of clergy?

    Jefferson: Clergy meant, as I understand it, are those who are recognized, if you will, as the leader of a church or an organization and that is something that elders are not.

    Zeff follows up by displaying Websters dictionary on screen, then says:

    Zeff: Can I show you Webster’s Dictionary’s definition of elder and see if you agree with that? The first definition is a group of ordained to perform pastoral or sacerdotal functions in a Christian church. Is that a reasonable definition of a clergy?

    Jefferson: I don’t know the answer to that.

    Zeff now proceeds to connect Jehovah’s Witness elders to the clergy using Jefferson’s own words:

    Zeff: Can you define for me what an elder is?

    Jefferson: Sure. An elder is a man who is appointed by means of the Holy Spirit to care for the interests of the sheep entrusted to him. Those responsibilities are described in various places in the Bible. For example, first Peter 5, one and two, where elders are urged to care for the interests of the flock entrusted to them.

    Zeff: Elders act as shepherds in the local congregations?

    Jefferson: They do.

    Zeff: And provide spiritual education and assistance from the Bible to congregants?

    Jefferson: They do

    Zeff: And they oversee the congregational meetings?

    Jefferson: They do

    Zeff: And they lead?

    Jefferson: They take the lead also.

    Zeff then brings up confession, and forces Jefferson to admit that elders are responsible for listening to confession from members of the congregation.

    Zeff: And elders then receive confession of sort?

    Jefferson: Elders listen to the confessions of those who may have been involved and wronged, yes.

    Zeff now calls up on screen the definition of clergy once again:

    Zeff: Looking at that the rule one more time, I would just like to know if you have changed your answer at all or if you think elders are clergy?

    Jefferson: NO

    Zeff digs deeper into the Jehovah’s Witness judicial process, hammering Jefferson with questions about the function of a judicial committee of elders.

    Zeff: So wouldn’t your judicial committee, your rules, and by you, I’m not even sure who I’m talking about. Who is it that tells the elders, this is how a judicial committee should operate? Is it a governing body?

    Jefferson: A group of spiritually qualified men, who remain anonymous, are selected to prepare material that’s reviewed and approved by the governing body. And then after that, it is published.

    Zeff: So these anonymous men have told the elders that when there’s a matter that needs a judicial committee, here is how the committee should be set up, here is who should be on the committee, and here are the types of things you should look for. And
    once you’ve done that, here is what you do if wrong has been committed. Is that a fair summary?

    Jefferson: Not totally.

    Zeff: Okay. Didn’t think so.

    Zeff presses the uncooperative Jefferson further, asking him to define what the S-77 form is, to which Jefferson replied:

    “S-77 form is a document that’s used to report concisely the events of that judicial hearing.”

    It is of interest that his answer was misleading, as the S-77 is the “notice of disfellowshipping or disassociation” – filled out when the outcome of a judicial hearing is disfellowshipping, or if a person formally disassociates themselves. The form itself states:

    “It is not necessary to provide a summary of the case. If anything of significance regarding the case needs to be shared with the branch office, please do so in a separate letter.”

    Jefferson’s testimony was utterly confusing, filled with misleading and inaccurate data; he was placed on the witness stand by Watchtower’s own legal department, yet was self-destructing with every word. The jury appeared confused by his remarks, his demeanor, and his inability to answer simple questions without offering long-winded verbal detours.

    Attorney Zeff now turned his attention back to the July 1989 confidential letter to elders:

    Zeff: We talked briefly about section D, which was the child abuse, many states have child abuse reporting laws. When elders receive reports of physical or sexual abuse of a child, they should contact the society’s legal department immediately. Victims of such abuse need to be protected from further danger. That’s what it says?

    Jefferson: That’s correct, counselor.

    Zeff: In this document anywhere does it discuss how to protect children?

    Jefferson: I’m not aware of any place in the document.

    Zeff: But it does tell you to keep as many things secret as possible, doesn’t it?

    Jefferson: It does urge confidentiality, counselor, correct.

    You Can’t Have it Both Ways, Watchtower

    It is of great interest that the Watchtower organization urges elders to maintain confidentiality, when they legally impale themselves by breaking confidentiality the moment they share a confession with other elders. In the Fessler case, there were at least ten elders and others who were informed of the allegations of sexual abuse, not to mention those in Watchtower’s legal and service department who learned of the case from local elders. Watchtower attempted to claim clergy privilege to protect themselves, but this was denied multiple times by the court. Evidence was presented that no confidentiality was maintained whatsoever.

    Explained legally, Watchtower is subject to the legal principle of estoppel. This axiom bars a person from claiming one position, then intentionally taking the opposite position when it suits their legal case. Using Fessler versus Watchtower as an example, the defense adamantly attempted to use clergy privilege from the outset, yet denied in court for two straight days that elders are clergymen.

    In lay terms, this means you can’t have it both ways.

    During further intense questioning of Jefferson, Zeff pointed right back to the July 1989 letter to elders and asked:

    Zeff: Let me break the question up for you. Wouldn’t you agree with me that an elder who has limited knowledge of child abuse laws, limited knowledge of criminal law, would have a difficult time understanding the difference between keeping it secret and going to the police based on this document?

    Jefferson: If I answer about an elder’s limited knowledge, I’d only have to speculate. So I don’t know the answer to that question

    Zeff: Sir, you’re here on behalf of Watchtower and the Christian Congregation to talk about the documents and the instructions that you’ve given to them. Would you agree that that’s confusing?

    Jefferson: No, sir.

    Zeff: Crystal clear to you?

    Jefferson: Quite.

    Zeff: And would you agree with me that the legal department, when called, should know the law in every state?

    Jefferson: Again, I can’t speak for the legal department, counselor. I don’t work there.

    [Now bear in mind that Jefferson has testified that he is here on behalf of a request from the Watchtower and CCJW legal department, leaving one to wonder how it is possible that Jefferson has no clue that the legal department is aware of state laws regarding mandatory reporting]

    Zeff: Well, in writing this document, isn’t there an assumption by the Watchtower that the legal department is going to do the right thing by state law?

    Jefferson: As for assumption, again, I can’t speculate, but what I can say with a fair degree of certainty is that when elders follow the instruction in this letter or other letters and call the legal department, they will receive appropriate legal advice.

    Zeff continues his line of questioning regarding the Fessler case, and states that he has no knowledge whatsoever of the two Spring Grove PA elders, Eric Hoffman and Donald Hollingworth, except that they may have called Watchtower’s legal department. Referring once again to the July 1989 letter to elders, Zeff asks:

    Zeff: There’s nothing in that document that says do what’s in the best interest of the child, is there?

    Jefferson: I don’t believe that statement appears in the document, counselor.

    Zeff: There’s nothing in the document that says when in doubt, protect the child?

    Jefferson: That statement doesn’t appear in the document, counselor, no.

    Zeff: Is there any document that you’re aware of that’s given to elders in the United States that says elders shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that victims urgently need to be protected from further abuse and that abusers need to be prevented from finding other victims?

    Jefferson: Counselor, several documents which you’ve shown here have been printed. I can’t point to any specific one in response to your question. My memory doesn’t bring up one right now.

    Zeff: Will you agree there’s no instruction in any Watchtower or Christian Congregation document that says if there’s an allegation of sexual abuse, contact an overseer?

    Jefferson: If there’s an allegation of sexual abuse, contact the overseer. I’m not aware of that specific statement, counselor.

    Zeff then draws Jefferson’s attention once again back to the July 1, 1989 letter to elders, where child abuse is mentioned.

    Zeff: I want to take you to number four on this document. It says: “Child abuse is a crime. Never suggest to anyone that they should not report an allegation of child abuse to the police or other authorities.” So that says, correct me if I’m wrong, that elders should never say don’t report it. That would be wrong.

    Jefferson: That’s correct, counselor.

    Zeff: Then it says: If you’re asked, make it clear that whether to report the matter to the authorities or not is a personal decision for each individual to make and that there are no congregational sanctions for either decision. So it says, if you’re asked there, and I presume that these authors chose their words carefully… Do you know why they said if you’re asked instead of tell them?

    Jefferson: I don’t know why it was exactly worded this way, counselor. I was not a part of the group that composed the letter, so I would only speculate to say why they might have worded it that way.

    Zeff: So on behalf of Watchtower and Christian Congregation, your answer is why they ordered it that way is you don’t know because it would be speculation?

    Jefferson: I don’t know exactly why the author worded it that way.

    Zeff continued his questioning, with Jefferson only able to state that Watchtower’s position is “Never tell anyone that they can’t report it.” and “If they ask you, by all means, please do what you feel is right and report it, if you feel you should. ” Zeff continued:

    Zeff: Would you agree with me that this instruction does not inform elders that they must, in Pennsylvania and Maryland, report suspected child abuse?

    Jefferson: That’s a correct statement, counselor.

    The Anonymous Men

    Concluding his examination of Watchtower representative Jefferson, attorney Zeff probes Jefferson as to the very source of the judicial rules governing Jehovah’s Witness elders:

    Zeff: And the rules that are followed by the elders relating to the judicial committee come from whom?

    Jefferson: As stated, a group of men, spiritually mature men are appointed to prepare this material under the direction of the governing body. And after it is approved, it is published.

    Zeff: And they’re anonymous?

    Jefferson: The are.

    Zeff: And do you know whether any of these anonymous people have any qualifications of any kind to deal with issues of child abuse?

    Jefferson: If they’re anonymous and I don’t know them, then I don’t answer that question

    Zeff: I have nothing further, thank you, Your Honor.

    Following two days of examination by the plaintiff’s counsel, it was time for the defense to cross-examine Mr. Jefferson.

    Jefferson Cross-Examined

    First up was Jud Aaron, a non-Jehovah’s Witness attorney representing the Spring Grove Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Mr. Aaron began his questioning by referring to the state mandate for clergy to report suspected child abuse:

    Aaron: “Clergy must report sexual abuse of children to protect the victim from additional harm. And yet there was some questions about it.” If I were to substitute the word clergy, remove the word clergy and put Jehovah’s Witnesses elders, let me read it. “Jehovah’s Witnesses elders must report sexual abuse of children to protect the victim from additional harm.” Would you agree with that?

    Jefferson: I do in certain areas of municipalities and so forth, yes.

    This brief and bizarre exchange echoed the earlier line of questioning in which Jefferson refused to acknowledge that Jehovah’s Witness elders are clergy, which in his mind exempted him entirely from answering these questions. Incredibly, when Aaron substituted “Jehovah’s Witness elders” for “clergy,” Jefferson still suggested that elders only have the obligation to report “in certain municipalities.”

    By now, most readers will have thrown a brick through their computer monitor, or discarded their smart phone in the nearest lake when reading the lengths to which the Jehovah’s Witness organization will go to protect their own interests, instead of those of the victims of abuse. Their destructive doctrines are stuck like barnacles on a sinking ship, and Watchtower has no desire to scrape free the decades-old requirements which have ruined the lives of thousands.

    As Aaron continued his examination of Jefferson, he restated the policy whereby elders were required to contact Watchtower’s legal department in cases involving suspected abuse. However this line of reasoning was ineffective, since it was clear that Jefferson was defending an organization which fails to report abuse as a practice, unless they would receive sanctions and penalty for not reporting the matter in certain “municipalities.”

    Mr. Aaron further attempted to minimize the child abuse issue when he questioned Jefferson on his experience in handling child abuse cases:

    Aaron: And in the 35 years that you’ve sat on judicial committees, about seven congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses, have you sat on one that involved allegations of child sexual abuse?

    Jefferson: No.

    As an added “strategy”, defense attorney Aaron went so far as to imply that since there were only five lines (dealing with child abuse) out of six pages in the July 1 1989 Letter to elders, the relevance of this letter was minimal, and that it was not intended to protect child abusers. Aaron then asked Jefferson to testify about the nature of the multitude of Watchtower and Awake! articles on a variety of subjects, including child abuse.

    Aaron: Let me ask you something, Mr. Jefferson, why do these publications, the Jehovah’s Witness publication, Watchtower magazine, Awake magazine, why do they address repeatedly the issue of child abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse, that type of
    thing you just referred to?

    Jefferson: Because in society in general, many, many people are adversely affected by the crime of child abuse and it’s the desire of the organization that I’m a part of to do everything possible to make people aware of this horrible, heinous crime and to
    do everything possible to help victims first of child abuse and to assist them and assist their parents to shoulder their responsibility to protect their children. And that’s why the articles are published.

    As any victim of child abuse in the Jehovah’s Witness organization will tell you, the organization and the elders obstruct justice in every possible way. The failure to report abuse to police and other civil authorities is fast becoming one of the most insidious crimes in the past 50 years. It was clear that the jury was not buying into Watchtower’s statement that they “abhor” child abuse. It is a weak and meaningless defense, when the facts show that the very authorities who are qualified to help children are almost never contacted.

    Enter John Miller, for Watchtower

    In his first appearance in this trial, Mr. John Miller, attorney for Watchtower New York, and a devout Jehovah’s Witness, stepped up to question Mr Jefferson on behalf of the defense. Miller opens by acknowledging that he and Mr. Jefferson are old friends, for at least 20 years.

    One of the more interesting contradictions in testimony came when Mr. Jefferson, under examination from Miller, suddenly acknowledged that both he and Watchtower’s legal department are very familiar with differences in state laws on mandatory child abuse reporting. Note the exchange:

    Miller: You testified that the laws of the states vary; is that true?

    Jefferson: That’s true.

    Miller: And have you worked with lawyers in the branch’s legal department to render advice to elders who call about the laws of their particular state?

    Jefferson: I have.

    Miller: And is it in your working with those lawyers that you have become familiar with differences of laws of different states?

    Jefferson: I have.

    Thomas Jefferson had just testified when questioned by the plaintiff’s attorney Gregg Zeff that he was unaware of Watchtower’s knowledge of state laws for reporting abuse. Note his earlier testimony:

    Zeff: And would you agree with me that the legal department, when called, should know the law in every state?

    Jefferson: Again, I can’t speak for the legal department, counselor. I don’t work there.

    Incredibly, Jefferson changed his testimony, suddenly becoming aware of state mandatory reporting laws.

    Jefferson was lying to the court

    Further evidence of defensive backpedaling came when John Miller, for Watchtower, referred to questions posed by Mr. Zeff the day before, when Jefferson was embarrassed by not being able to recall even the name of the President of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York. In an attempt to salvage Jefferson’s reputation, Miller asked:

    Miller: You were asked if you could name some of the people in Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Incorporated and you were unable to do so. Are you a member on the executive board of that corporation?

    Jefferson: I am not.

    Miller: Are you a member or on the executive board of the corporation Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses?

    Jefferson: I am.

    Miller: Can you name any of the people with that organization?

    Jefferson: I can.

    Miller: Go ahead. Name some.

    Jefferson: The president, Allen Shuster; vice president, Anthony Griffin; secretary/treasurer, William Nonkes.

    Miller: What is your role?

    Jefferson: Assistant secretary/treasurer, I believe.

    He believes? Jefferson seemed very unsure of his position within the CCJW organization – but his testimony continued to disintegrate as Watchtower attorney Miller then asked him to name Members of the United States Branch Committee.

    Miller: Can you name a few of them for us?

    Jefferson: Allen Shuster, Anthony Griffin, just to name two.

    Miller: Was Leon Weaver a member of that branch committee?

    Jefferson: He is.

    Miller: So are the names of those persons who serve in the U.S. Branch kept secret anywhere?

    Jefferson: Not at all.

    Miller: Aren’t they published on the website?

    Jefferson: That could very well be.

    Miller: Have you seen them published in some of magazines that are sent to the public?

    Jefferson: Yes, they are. The president is published every month in the Watchtower and Awake.

    Miller: So there’s no secret about who is there?

    Jefferson: No.

    As a note to our readers, the questioning by Miller and responses of Jefferson reveal that they themselves are not fully aware of who manages and operates Watchtower, CCJW, and the United States Branch Committee. Not only was Jefferson unsure of his own position in CCJW, but his statement “The president is published every month in the Watchtower and Awake” was false, as he was discussing the US Branch Committee, and not the Watchtower Society. A simple check of the inside cover of current Watchtower and Awake magazines reveals that it is the Watchtower president who is listed inside this cover, and not any of the US Branch Committee members.

    Jefferson Says: No Responsibility to Protect the Community

    After testifying once again that elders are not clergymen, the defense yielded to Mr Gregg Zeff for a re-cross examination of Mr. Jefferson. Zeff asked Jefferson whether the elders have a responsibility to protect the community from predators:

    Jefferson: Well, the elders have responsibility of protecting children, yes, and all the flock.

    Zeff: And the entire community from predators, not just the flock?

    Jefferson: What do you mean by entire community?

    Zeff: Well, doesn’t an elder have a responsibility if they know there’s a sexual predator in their midst to let the entire community, the State of Pennsylvania, the people of Philadelphia, know that there’s a sexual predator in their midst?

    [Watchtower attorney Miller objects to this question. Objection overruled]

    Jefferson: NO.

    In one of the most insidious and outrageous statements of the trial, Thomas Jefferson admitted what so many victims of child abuse already know – that Jehovah’s Witnesses have no regard for the community at large, and their failure to report suspected child abuse places the entire community at risk by failing to report a predator.

    While Witnesses are an insular community, the harboring or non-reporting of a sexual predator permits such an individual to roam free, unobstructed and undetected by unsuspecting parents and children. Most “worldly” or non-Jehovah’s Witness persons are unaware that a religious organization resides in their midst, completely insensitive to the protection of their family. Not only have tens of thousands of Jehovah’s Witness children suffered, but evidence shows that scores of sexual assaults have occurred throughout the global community because the offender was not reported to the authorities. This affects everyone, regardless of religious affiliation.

    Thomas Jefferson single-handedly embarrassed the entire Watchtower organization, destroying his own credibility and that of the religion he represents. But this was a good thing. This was not a closed-door, behind the scenes, cloaked meeting, but an open, civil trial which will forever be a part of the public record. It is an insight into the inner workings of Jehovah’s Witnesses, who are largely ignorant of the issues related to child abuse, and the tactics employed by their elders, their Governing Body, and the legal team which defends the absurd.

    Further reports on the testimony in this case to come, including that of two elders, the abuser of Stephanie Fessler, and the detective who ended any chance of Watchtower winning this case.

    http://jwsurvey.org/child-abuse-2/breaking-news-watchtowers-defense-collapses-jehovahs-witnesses-reproved-for-failure-to-report-child-abuse-settlement-with-fessler-reached

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Thank you for your time and effort in Posting this information.

    Any JW reading this must be both appalled at the lack of truth whilst giving Testimony by the JW/WT witness, and ashamed to be associated with an Organization that STILL does not protect the vulnerable ones within it.

  • shepherdless
    shepherdless

    So it looks like Thomas Jefferson was subpoenaed as a hostile witness for the plaintiff. Interesting that he was trying to argue elders were NOT clergy. Perhaps he knew something about the law in Philadelphia regarding the reporting requirements of clergy; and it differs from what a certain armchair lawyer has recently been claiming on these pages.

    If the account written by John Redwood is even half-true, the jury must have thought Jefferson was deceitful scum. No wonder Watchtower settled.

  • Tallon
    Tallon

    ... In one of the most insidious and outrageous statements of the trial, Thomas Jefferson admitted what so many victims of child abuse already know – that Jehovah’s Witnesses [the Organisation] have no regard for the community at large, and their failure to report suspected child abuse places the entire community at risk by failing to report a predator ... Note: I inserted 'the Organisation'; to be fair, there are many people 'still trapped' within that do care.


    Yep; sums it all up for me.



  • careful
    careful

    Thanks for the post. It's interesting stuff.

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    Thanks for this post.

    ".........the Watchtower organization urges elders to maintain confidentiality, when they legally impale themselves by breaking confidentiality the moment they share a confession with other elders...... Watchtower attempted to claim clergy privilege to protect themselves, but this was denied multiple times by the court."

    I'm totally bewildered at the U.S. judiciary's ineptitude to bury the WTBTS's "clergy-penitent" red-herring once and for all time!

    Recent legal precedents (including this case) have proven J.W. elders do not keep J.C.'s confidential!

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99

    Thanks for these posts Barbara, darkspilver and John Redwood. It's all very enlightening. I can see exactly why the WTS chose to settle. From the early information I had thought that their position was quite strong to create an argument that their liability was limited in this case but it seems they simply led themselves up a blind alley through continued obfuscation and misdirection.

    Instead of simply explaining that the organisation has a legal, corporate side and an ecclesiastical side which has an overlap and building an understanding of how their legal and ecclesiastical responsibilities work, they seem to have once again tried to use the blurred lines to avoid any definition at all. The result - they end up looking stupid, obstructive and two faced.

    To be frank, I think if you explain many of these things openly then it does have a certain logic to it. Someone may not agree with you but at least the pathway from A to B is clear (e.g. JWs position on homosexuality, the need to call Bethel legal when an allegation of abuse is made). Instead of being clear, concise and logical, with at least some confidence in their own position, the WT seems consistently unable to avoid complicating things by having no clarity and consistency.

    It's almost like they don't believe their own bullshit.

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    Thank you for posting this, Darkspliver.

    After reading about this testimony, it isn't difficult to negate all the justifications and excuses/explanations that this forum's apologists offered on this thread here.

    It is clear that the Watchtower settled this lawsuit because they had no hope of winning it.

    Stephanie Fessler won. She didn't just settle...she won. The Watchtower was backed up against the wall and they reached into their pocket to bail themselves out.

    This case is a clear win for all victims of the WT. Call it a settlement if you want...it is a win!

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    Two important points were made:

    It is of great interest that the Watchtower organization urges elders to maintain confidentiality, when they legally impale themselves by breaking confidentiality the moment they share a confession with other elders. In the Fessler case, there were at least ten elders and others who were informed of the allegations of sexual abuse, not to mention those in Watchtower’s legal and service department who learned of the case from local elders. Watchtower attempted to claim clergy privilege to protect themselves, but this was denied multiple times by the court. Evidence was presented that no confidentiality was maintained whatsoever.
    Explained legally, Watchtower is subject to the legal principle of estoppel. This axiom bars a person from claiming one position, then intentionally taking the opposite position when it suits their legal case. Using Fessler versus Watchtower as an example, the defense adamantly attempted to use clergy privilege from the outset, yet denied in court for two straight days that elders are clergymen.
    In lay terms, this means you can’t have it both ways.

    The WTBTS had to be embarrassed by the stupidity of their congressional and legal representatives.

    However one of the most damning assertions was this:

    In one of the most insidious and outrageous statements of the trial, Thomas Jefferson admitted what so many victims of child abuse already know – that Jehovah’s Witnesses have no regard for the community at large, and their failure to report suspected child abuse places the entire community at risk by failing to report a predator.'

    While Witnesses are an insular community, the harboring or non-reporting of a sexual predator permits such an individual to roam free, unobstructed and undetected by unsuspecting parents and children. Most “worldly” or non-Jehovah’s Witness persons are unaware that a religious organization resides in their midst, completely insensitive to the protection of their family.




  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    After mulling over Jefferson's testimony, it has brought up a question for me.

    The Watchtower was trying to make the case that it is separate from the CCJW and has no links to that entity. They have been trying for years to distance themselves from the congregations in order to avoid responsibility for law suits against them and to protect the Watchtower's money. They started that back in 2000(2001?) when they split the CCJW off from the main WTS and they have used that argument repeatedly in court.

    My question is this: if the WTS makes the case that CCJW is distinct from the WT, how does that affect the religious tax exempt status of the WTS? Why should the WTS get tax exemption if they no longer have authority over the CCJW religion? Would that not mean that the WTS is not eligible for religious tax exemption?

    I don't mean to de-rail this thread - this is about Stephanie's court case...but it did make me think.

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