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  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard
    Ben Shapiro has stated he will not attend a Jew / Non-Jew wedding. The same way a JW won't go to a JW/non-JW wedding. This type of value system is what I'm trying to get away from, religious bigotry. Shapiro is an idiot.

    I simply don’t care. You may be 100% correct when it comes to you claim of hypocrisy. But it doesn’t matter. It simply doesn’t matter. As long as that view is not foisted on me by law, then we can live side-by-side in the same country. I would argue that he’s got it right when it matters.

    If you're an exJW that likes Ben Shapiro, you're a cult hopper, plain and simple.

    I do not agree here. Just because you “like” him or agree with him doesn’t make you an Orthodox Jew, or agree with any of the Jewish specific positions. ... and I’m not even sure it’s right to look at Orthodox Jews as a cult.

  • OneGenTwoGroups
    OneGenTwoGroups
    People don't roll dice to create laws MMM, they do it based on their values. Ben Shapiro's values suck as do most of his ideas. Have you seen the latest blunder of his on the "they" pronoun? He's a religiously bigoted fool.
  • Simon
    Simon
    s such as Whom can you marry? Poor Ben Shapiro, still boycotts inter-religious marriages.

    There's a different between having personal beliefs, choosing what you do and don't support and bringing the power of government to enforce your views and push your opinions on others.

    What should it be? Do you want to be forced to attend a wedding you don't want to? Maybe a transgender event has the power to force you to attend and bring a gift? No thank you ...

    You should be allowed to attend or not attend whatever you personally want, for whatever reason you want - sexuality, color, religion, you name it. Are you arguing that the government should be able to remove that choice? Do you think that they will only limit your right to attend things, not the right for those events themselves to happen?

    You know, "the cool kids philosopher". It wasn't conservatives that wished for people the freedom to intermarry, whether that be race, religion, or sex. Conservatives have their divinely revealed morals and pass laws so that everyone else must live by their ideology.

    Actually, most of the marriage limitations were imposed by the democrats. The reason you need a license from the government to marry is because they didn't want mixed race marriages. That is government control, the fascist / socialist / islamist / zionist end of the spectrum.

    But yes, Shapiro is jewish and some of his beliefs and workarounds are a bit "legalistic" in that they are really about finding convenient or contrived loopholes to avoid fallowing the rules without admitting that the rules are stupid. But I'd rather have some mild hypocrisy than to have the state control things, because they state could be a more controlling theocracy like Islam or socialism.

    Can you open a casino in Texas? Sorry, conservatives still have that outlawed.

    That seems like a good thing. Casinos are not known for bringing benefits to communities - they are often temples of sleaze and money laundering.

    It's not about absolutes - small government is not about no government (except at the extremes of libertarianism). Some rules are still required and sometimes some things are allowed or not allowed and the boundaries have to be constantly re-considered to reflect what's best for society.

    Can you buy beer on Sundays before noon in Texas? Sorry, conservatives still have that outlawed.

    Yeah, Sunday trading laws are stupid and should be done away with, but they are easy and low-intrusive things to work around.

    Can you buy nails along with wood on Sundays in Texas? Conservatives finally let us do that in the 80s.

    Right, so gradually things are corrected, that's how democracy should work. These are low-intensity issues, compared to having the state control important aspects of your life. Often these are just bookkeeping issues - removing old legislation that hasn't been followed or prosecuted for years - unless you can point to someone being charged with selling nails and wood in living memory?

    In the UK there are laws such as taxi drivers having to carry a supply of hay in their carriage - just because no one has wasted time removing them doesn't mean there is an onerous controlling government using them.

  • Simon
    Simon
    Have you seen the latest blunder of his on the "they" pronoun? He's a religiously bigoted fool.

    I think pronouns are stupid, I think most people do. I think wanting to give the government power to prosecute you for refusing to use someone else's invented words is more cult-like and dangerous than objecting and wanting the freedom to use established language.

    If I say my pronouns are: "fa**ot & ni**er". Should the government force you to use them?

    Who's the fool?

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard
    People don't roll dice to create laws MMM, they do it based on their values.

    Yes, exactly. That’s the point. His values are right leaning. Meaning that even though he disagrees with gay marriage he will refrain from forcing anyone else to fall in line with his view. The use of force is key here.

    This is not the case with the left.

  • OneGenTwoGroups
    OneGenTwoGroups
    There's a different between having personal beliefs, choosing what you do and don't support and bringing the power of government to enforce your views and push your opinions on others.

    What's going to happen to the UK if it becomes Muslim majority in the future? Do you think that the personal beliefs of the Muslims might impact the laws at some point? I'm concerned about people's personal beliefs AND governmental law, because one impacts the other. Sam Harris takes a lot of heat for trying to make this point with people, but Ben Affleck and others just won't have it.

    What should it be? Do you want to be forced to attend a wedding you don't want to? Maybe a transgender event has the power to force you to attend and bring a gift? No thank you ...

    Not sure how you get from Shapiro's belief/value that Jews marrying non-Jews is not a good thing ... to him being dragged in handcuffs to weddings. Him not going isn't the problem, it's the REASON he's not going that is. Why would I not got to a gay wedding? Because I wasn't invited, I'm sick, I'm at a different wedding, I personally don't like the dude one of the dudes is marrying, could be many reasons, BUT if it's because Yahweh says so ... well .. that freaking sucks, it's a bad reason. Mandates from men claiming supernatural authority aren't the best place to get ideas from.

    You should be allowed to attend or not attend whatever you personally want, for whatever reason you want - sexuality, color, religion, you name it. Are you arguing that the government should be able to remove that choice? Do you think that they will only limit your right to attend things, not the right for those events themselves to happen?

    Shapiro shouldn't be forced at gunpoint by federal agents to attend his daughter's wedding to a non-Jew. I 100 percent agree. The government shouldn't have that authority. My point is about Shapiro's JW-like stance on mixed marriages, it sucks.

    Actually, most of the marriage limitations were imposed by the democrats. The reason you need a license from the government to marry is because they didn't want mixed race marriages. That is government control, the fascist / socialist / islamist / zionist end of the spectrum.

    I grew up in East Texas, third generation, I know who's historically hated mixed marriages around here brother. No need to try to Dinesh D'Souza me and pretend that the Southern Strategy is a myth. But then again, labels aren't important, I hate the corrupt DNC. It's about ideas, beliefs, and values. Christian fundamentalists do they exert control over the government here at all? How about that National Prayer Breakfast thing huh? Hmmmm

    That seems like a good thing. Casinos are not known for bringing benefits to communities - they are often temples of sleaze and money laundering.

    I took my mom to play the slots in Louisiana last year, we weren't required to perform any sex acts while we were in there. Money laundering? That's what we have banks for. But we know why they are illegal, it's the same freaking reason that gambling is a judicial matter in the JW cult. Religion dictating law, infringing on my rights.

    It's not about absolutes - small government is not about no government (except at the extremes of libertarianism). Some rules are still required and sometimes some things are allowed or not allowed and the boundaries have to be constantly re-considered to reflect what's best for society.

    Government happens whether it is formalized or not in any tribe. Small government is a meaningless term used by politicians to sound like their heart is in the right place. Government regulations/protections should evolve with new evidence and accumulated knowledge. People's whose values are determined by superstition are at a disadvantage, they're programmed to not want more information. I think we mostly agree here.

    Yeah, Sunday trading laws are stupid and should be done away with, but they are easy and low-intrusive things to work around.

    How did these stupid blue laws come to be? Men, allowing religious tradition to inform their law writing. That's the heart of the problem. That's what I'm posting about here. Bad ideas arising from superstition and enforced on others through law. Blurred lines between church and state is what I hate.

    These are low-intensity issues, compared to having the state control important aspects of your life.

    The state of Texas is currently controlling my life at 11:55 on Sunday, waiting for the the register to strike 12:00, so my baseball beer can be rang up. Why? Small minded religious people want to keep it that way. Are they preventing me from marrying a dude? no But do they wish they could, hell yes.

  • OneGenTwoGroups
    OneGenTwoGroups
    I think pronouns are stupid, I think most people do. I think wanting to give the government power to prosecute you for refusing to use someone else's invented words is more cult-like and dangerous than objecting and wanting the freedom to use established language.

    Pronouns are just parts of the English language. I'm not advocating for government agents forcing you to say "shim" at gunpiont. Never have, never will. Ben Shapiro on the other hand, he uses THEY in the neuter sense in tweets, then later proclaims that neuter "they"s are of the Devil. Why? Because he's an idiot.

    If I say my pronouns are: "fa**ot & ni**er". Should the government force you to use them?

    Not sure if you know what a pronoun is: he, she, they. Those are pejoratives, that people use on marginalized groups to hate and cause pain, to bully, to feel better and superior about themselves. Someday, if I ever argue for government enforced use of certain pronouns, shoot me.

    Who's the fool?

    Ben Shapiro


  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete
    Introvert2.....I'd like to know the real reason people get so bent out of shape over here on this site for simply mentioning sources that can be counter to the majorities opinion and get labelled Left or Right ? After all this use of "Left" or "Right" seems to be a stopper and is used very much in the same way as the WT uses 'The World' or 'Those in Good Standing' etc. Black and white thinking common to cults.

    I agree labels can serve as thought stoppers. Unfortunately while most everyone will say they understand that, old habits die hard.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    What's frustrating about political labels is how they are regionally defined. Europe uses identical terms like Democrat and Liberal with nearly opposite meanings to Americans. Libertarianism has come to encompass just about anything anyone wants to. A board like this one, with international posters might do well to think of that.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    Simon - "People equate 'conservatism' with being 'right' but it's not, it's just further away from the high control / big government (often viewed as 'left')."

    If that's actually the case, then...

    ...why do self-identified "conservative" Christian religionists - whose ideology sure seems "high-control" to me - lean Rightward?

    Why do all the racists, homophobes, misogynists, and neo-Nazis in America - also who self-identify as "conservative", and whose worldviews also sure as hell seem "high-control" to me - lean Rightward?

    Not to mention that I've never met a liberal/Leftist who wanted to beat the shit out of me because I wasn't one. Definitely the inverse, though.

    (Being serious, BTW, not a smartass.)

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