schizophrenia .......sound like anybody you know?

by gumby 76 Replies latest watchtower bible

gumby

Sometimes when nerves are touched a person needs to see why that nerve is so sensetive.
Gumby
seven006

Shelby,
Have you ever considered the possibility that some people can be loving, caring, helpful, enlightened, forgiving, understanding, spiritual and completely (as you might understand it) "Christ like" without being a Christian or having an affiliation with any religious group or philosophy?
They do exist. We are not all bigoted, self serving, hate mongers that you may think we are. We are not all (as you said it) troglodytes nor are we representative of ignorant slaves like you so humorously depicted. The only one (no disrespect intended but just going by your writing style) that leans toward any representation of being any kind of ignorant slave is you.
It is a lot harder and it takes more self examination and mental maturity to be a good person without being a slave to any group or religious icon or fearing the parental disapproval of some metaphysical entity. We think for ourselves and do for ourselves. We do not blame anyone else for or mistakes or give praise to anyone else for our accomplishments. We do not put on our judges robes and with closed minds categorize people because they do not walk the same path of manipulative men of old. We do not base our life or love for our fellow man on mystical contradictory writings of ancient religious books written by men with selfish agendas targeted to an audience of the blind, ignorant, bungled and beguiled.
We do not spend our lives living to please those who dictated rules and regulations contrived by sexist men who tried to keep quiet those who had the ability and inner strength to ask questions and think for themselves. We do not praise the meek and feeble who are too afraid to think for themselves and end up following those who rule by a heavy hand in a threatening death grip manner. We admire creativity and applaud individual strength that contributes to the growth of all mankind. Not just a few who align themselves with one absolute way of thinking and use their concept of god to keep those who cannot think for themselves in line like sheep headed to the slaughter house.
We are not Romans or Christians or Jews or Muslims or sheep or goats or even slaves. We weigh and balance what goes on in the world without preconceived or judgmental conditions but instead with an open mind and the ability to learn and adjust to changing situations of growth and awareness. We live and grow in real time so that our lives now and in the future can be better lived and understood. We are not stagnated to thinking and living by the narrow minded and limited thinking of men who lived thousands of years ago.
It is not a black and white, slave or master, right or wrong world for everyone. Some of us give without asking back or hoping we are somehow paid back for our kindness and understanding in another life. Figuring out by yourself and then living life as a good person without giving or asking for praise or expecting some kind of redemption takes a multitude of extremely positive human character.
We make mistakes, but they are our mistakes and we take full accountability for them. We also do good for the simple reason of being a good person and not for the glory of, or fear of, some vengeful mythical creature who arrogantly demands acknowledgment and narcissistic praise. We do not play games with our fellow human or test love by threat of death or abandonment. We do not ask those who love us or that we love to act as a slave to us in exchange for that love. We do not expect our own children to grow up and pay us back for the life that we as parents gave them. We do not demand their love but instead accept it and appreciate it and feel more love when they turn into good people themselves and continue to pay that love forward to their own children.
Shelby, you are a real sweetheart of a person. But, if you think you can come here, to a place where people come to heal from a life damaged by the same exact philosophy you preach about in these threads, you are truly blind. Just a very few here come close to thinking the way you do. Just because the rest of us do not, doesn't mean we are the opposite of you and thus the enemies of your personal conception of god or what is good and evil. It doesn't mean we are without the understanding of what real love is or we do not care about our fellow humans. Some question and some mock what you say because believe it or not, we've heard it all before and it has turned out to be life's biggest lie. No matter how you package it or what particular religion sells it, it is still the same old rotting message.
Because most of us can make up our own minds with a high level of intelligence based on our experience in life we have only a few choices when reacting to what you say. We can either blow it off and write it off to you being a bit mentally unstable (as I do), or, we can raise our voices in contempt to hearing the same old line of bull from just another religious fanatic. One produces a feeling of caring and concern. The other contempt and mockery. Either way, it's because of what you say along with how you say it that gives you the reactions you get. Coming back at us and saying what you just said in your last post shows what kind of love and understanding you really have and definitely reflects the kind of love you share with your god.
Look at who talks like you and says almost the same thing as you do on this forum. The man is and has been recognized as a complete egocentric nut ball out to praise his own self for years on the Internet. You have just aligned yourself as his JWD side kick by talking and posting the same way he has.
What did you really expect Shelby? Golf claps?
I'm sure you are not completely as most of us might think you are. Something for you to think about, neither are all of us.
Take care and sweet dreams.
A slave to no one.
Dave
gumby

Coming back at us and saying what you just said in your last post shows what kind of love and understanding you really have and definitely reflects the kind of love you share with your god.

Hey Dave,
I don't think Shelbys last comment was what is really in her heart. She has been a sweetie through some pretty serious negativity towards her and has 99% of the time kept her cool and wished peace to the person............which is more than I can say I could ever do.
You summed up very well the matter about people being good people without religion, or even God in their lives. Believers along with dubs have a concieved idea, about non-believers being hateful and selfish. They never seem to grasp it's the lie we hate......not the people within, unless those people insist we believe a lie.... or else.
Thanks for doing a great job in what you said.
Gumby
Brummie

One question ... If a schitzophrenic threatens to kill himself.... Is this considered a Hostage Situation?

lol.
In all seriousness this is a very interesting thread gumby, thanks for posting it. Seems to me schitz is a spectrum disorder that can be a mild or an intense illness or a million other things. Its good to see people showing a distinction between the "myth" (2 people in one) and the reality. Getting a better perspective on it can only bring empathy when dealing with people who suffer with it. What a shame that someone has to suffer this way.
Brumm
gumby

Getting a better perspective on it can only bring empathy when dealing with people who suffer with it.

Thanks Brummie,
That was the intent of the thread. I myself have lashed out at ones who make great claims here not knowing perhaps they may have this ailment or one similar to it. As I told someone else.......the most difficult part is for other posters to (1) recognize it' as a sickness.......or (2) recognize it as someone messing with peoples heads for their own assnine satisfaction and they haven't grown up yet. These latter ones are nerdy little geeks who have no life other than their psuedo "god loves me cuz I'm special" moments, when they are simply wishfull dreamers.
I meant no harm to the one I care about here.....the other....... I haven't a clue about.
Gumby
Panda

UMMMMM--- My nephew is schizophrenic. The illness has been manifesting over several years, just has become pronounced w/in this year. It's awful for his family (though now he's divorced), and he will sooner or later lose his job. Then what?
seven006

Gumby,
I know she has a good hart but sometimes she just goes too far. I don't know what she expects when she posts about having a personal audience with god. When she lumps us all into one group and does the "you are all" stuff I'm not going to let that go unchallenged. I hate the "we are better than you" Christian crap. I lived with it all my life and it's just as a bigoted way of thinking as the KKK philosophy.
I haven't responded to something she has said in this manner for over a year. She is too nice of a person to try and put her in her place but since I was one of the people who posted in this thread I responded. If she can't handle it she should go find a DB where everyone thinks they are the messiah and they can preach to each other until the white coats come in and turn off the lights.
Shelby doesn't stop to think that she offends a lot of people here with her posts. Telling people "to have peace" before she starts preaching doesn't make the JW approach she uses to say we are all wrong about how we live our life doesn't make it any less irritating.
Now we have JCanon saying the same thing as Shelby but with a more pompous attitude of superiority. When he is exposed as a blow hard he simply disappears off the thread. Most of the time I don't care and don't respond. Lately Iv just grown tired of his bullshit. My comments were made more because of him than it was because of Shelby. It's more about the message than it is the messenger. When it gets down to it, we all have as much right to speak our minds on this subject as they do. That's what this board is all about.
Sorry if I came off a little too harsh, this Christian superiority crap just bugs the hell out of me.
Dave
AGuest

They don't do fires anymore, aguest, now it's ~~medication~~ posion under the guise of being "helpful".

Same results, though: kill the messenger. Or at least, shut 'em up. Right?
Ah, well... nothing new under the sun.
Luke 11:47-51
AGuest

ask all of you the same question, eh, Gumby?
Peace to you.
A slave of Christ,
SJ
AGuest

Peace to you!
Have you ever considered the possibility that some people can be loving, caring, helpful, enlightened, forgiving, understanding, spiritual and completely (as you might understand it) "Christ like" without being a Christian or having an affiliation with any religious group or philosophy?
Absolutely! I can even give you some examples: was Rahab an Israelite? Were the Good Samaritan or the woman at the well Jews? How about the Phoenecian woman? Cornelius? My dear Dave, one does not have to be a "christian" - anointed by holy spirit - to be saved. One does, however, have to do good to such ones. And since we don't know who such ones are... we could just be "covered" by doing good... to ALL. Yes?
They do exist. We are not all bigoted, self serving, hate mongers that you may think we are. We are not all (as you said it) troglodytes nor are we representative of ignorant slaves like you so humorously depicted. The only one (no disrespect intended but just going by your writing style) that leans toward any representation of being any kind of ignorant slave is you.
Dave - I have NEVER thought you such. Indeed, there are MANY here that I have no such opinion of. But, there are some who fit that description. And if you think me ignorant, well, okay, that's your perogative. Why condemn me, though, if I thought that of you... or another? Isn't that hypocritical? Perhaps I don't believe what you believe. So what? Does that give me the right to label you as something derogatory? Isn't putting demonic and psychological "labels" on things you don't understand... prehistoric?
We don't yet understand HALF of what occurs in this universe. Yet, we always limit our understanding to what the "experts" say, and chide anyone who challenges that. And yet, at one time, the experts SAID that the world was flat, that man would never fly, etc., etc. And those who had certain "insight" were "marked"... or burned at the stake. Can you go back and reestablish those lives? Can you undo what has been done? Nope. It's like the WTBTS disfellowshipping people and ruining their lives for things they had no understanding of... yet. But once they SAW a little better... do you think they went back to such folks and said, "Oh, wait... we were wrong then. Vaccines AREN'T "bad"?
If, by some, I dunno, "tool"... scientists find out that frequencies that were previously unheard COULD be heard... and that such led to another realm entirely, would you THEN say, "Oh, oops! We were wrong. Sorry for burning you. Sorry for labeling you. Sorry for ridiculing you." No, I don't think you would. Rather, you would do what the Society has TAUGHT you to do: never admit that you are wrong... or could BE wrong... and when you find out that you were, excuse yourself by saying, "Well, that was our understanding AT THE TIME, and God will make it right. It's not our responsibility to do that."
That is the practice of earthling man: to attempt a response at what they don't truly know, because in their arrogance they think they know "everything", and yet, "everything" is limited to what they know... at that particular time.
It is a lot harder and it takes more self examination and mental maturity to be a good person without being a slave to any group or religious icon or fearing the parental disapproval of some metaphysical entity.
I absolutely agree. That is one of the reason why "religion" works: some of us simply can't BE good on our own - we need others to "oversee" us and tell us what "good works" to do.
We think for ourselves and do for ourselves. We do not blame anyone else for or mistakes or give praise to anyone else for our accomplishments. We do not put on our judges robes and with closed minds categorize people because they do not walk the same path of manipulative men of old. We do not base our life or love for our fellow man on mystical contradictory writings of ancient religious books written by men with selfish agendas targeted to an audience of the blind, ignorant, bungled and beguiled.
Again, I agree. I think for myself, dear Dave. The One whom I serve, I CHOOSE to serve. He is not holding something over me; it is I who wish to be his servant because of what he's done for ME. Why is repaying a kindness done to oneself such a bad thing? I do not come here and tell anyone how to live. I share the truth: take it or leave it. However, if someone ASKS me why it is that they cannot realize what I do... what would you have me do, lie? Why?!
If I THOUGHT the folks here were entirely incapable of hearing and seeing, why on EARTH would I bother? Why share something with people I believe are NEVER gonna get it? What sense does THAT make?
Now, if they CHOOSE not to, what of it? Do I stop and fail those who wish to and are trying due to the small few who couldn't care less? You tell me, please.
We do not spend our lives living to please those who dictated rules and regulations contrived by sexist men who tried to keep quiet those who had the ability and inner strength to ask questions and think for themselves.
Wait! Please reread what you have said here. Because I think that is EXACTLY what some of you do here. I had that ability and strength. I asked questions. And I thought/think for myself. Yet, when I share what is in ME... what is the response/result? Are there not those who, in trying to please whomever... society?... who wish me to be quiet? Who try to KEEP me quiet by putting false and hateful labels on me? Read what you yourself have said here, Dave... and tell me whether or not you see the hypocrisy in it.
We do not praise the meek and feeble who are too afraid to think for themselves and end up following those who rule by a heavy hand in a threatening death grip manner.
Again, I agree. It is such ones that are captive to religion, who religion seeks out and binds... HEAVILY... making them slaves to such institutions. Why? So that they, the institutions, can prosper. Tell me, what profit does God and Christ gain from our faith in them? I'll tell you: none. It is not FOR them that we are invited: it is for our own benefit. Yes, I know - you can't see that. But I can. Am I to be ridiculed, then, for seeing what you cannot?
We admire creativity and applaud individual strength that contributes to the growth of all mankind. Not just a few who align themselves with one absolute way of thinking and use their concept of god to keep those who cannot think for themselves in line like sheep headed to the slaughter house.
Dave, I am an English major, who sings, who loves the arts (just saw "Phantom of the Opera" - WOW!! - and takes in the ballet, symphony and a museum every now and then, when funds... or a kind friend... permits). I visit museums and visited Mexico City earlier this year, NOT to see some Bethel Branch, but to see the museums, the Cathedrals, the Palaces, the people. I will be starting Law School in January. I don't live in a cave, dear one. But... I will tell you the truth. I hear what I hear, and see what I see... from whom I hear it and see it. That's it; that's all.
We are not Romans or Christians or Jews or Muslims or sheep or goats or even slaves.
Speak for yourself, dear one. I am an American (at least, that's one of the labels the WORLD puts on me). I am African American (another label). I am a Californian (another label). And I am a chrisitian, solely as that word means one who has received holy spirit. I am NOT a "Christian" as that label is applied in this world, one who is associated with the religion of "christianity" and thereby ascribes to the teachings, doctrines and/or beliefs of such religion. I am servant and slave, labels I put ON MYSELF... because I CHOOSE to.
We weigh and balance what goes on in the world without preconceived or judgmental conditions but instead with an open mind and the ability to learn and adjust to changing situations of growth and awareness. We live and grow in real time so that our lives now and in the future can be better lived and understood. We are not stagnated to thinking and living by the narrow minded and limited thinking of men who lived thousands of years ago.
Nor am I. I can have just as "colorful" a conversation with you about world politics and foreign policy as I can about local crime. We can discuss physica science as well as mathematics (okay, maybe not math - I HATE math!) But I have no problem discussing Hobbes, Locke, Dr. King, Ghandi, Buddha, Confucious, the Dalai Lama, ethics, morality, the English, Hebrew and Greek languages... what have you.
I can ALSO discuss, however, things that have to do with the spirit realm. Tell me, who is more limited? Me? Or those who can NOT discuss such things? Who is more closed minded? Me? Or those who WILL NOT discuss such things?
It is not a black and white, slave or master, right or wrong world for everyone.
I am not sure I can tell that by some of the comments I receive. Seems that it is QUITE black and white, right or wrong, for some...
Some of us give without asking back or hoping we are somehow paid back for our kindness and understanding in another life.
Absolutely! As did the Samaritan man. Yet, the Jews believed only themselves to be "righteous". Do you think I cannot discern the lesson my Lord wished me to by giving that account? I did: a man's enemies will be members of his OWN household, while he true friends may be among those he considered his enemies. Yes? Therefore, to judge someone SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE... or because they believe something you DON'T... is an error.
Figuring out by yourself and then living life as a good person without giving or asking for praise or expecting some kind of redemption takes a multitude of extremely positive human character.
Again, I agree. I must say, however, while I don't ask for praise, I do give it. I think it's the right thing to do - acknowledge someone. As for expecting redemption, no. I don't "expect"... anything. As I have said, I do what I do to REPAY a kindness shown to me. What I was to receive... I received... FIRST. He gave to me... FIRST.
We make mistakes, but they are our mistakes and we take full accountability for them. We also do good for the simple reason of being a good person and not for the glory of, or fear of, some vengeful mythical creature who arrogantly demands acknowledgment and narcissistic praise.
Dave, I make mistakes all the time. And sometimes, it's not even a mistake, but a conscious choice. I have no problem admitting that: I am human. And whatever good I do, I don't do it for glory, or out of fear, but because, as my Lord himself did, "I WANT to."
We do not play games with our fellow human or test love by threat of death or abandonment. We do not ask those who love us or that we love to act as a slave to us in exchange for that love. We do not expect our own children to grow up and pay us back for the life that we as parents gave them. We do not demand their love but instead accept it and appreciate it and feel more love when they turn into good people themselves and continue to pay that love forward to their own children.
First, I would have to disagree with you that "we" don't do such things. Many of "us", indeed MOST of "us" on this earth... do. Yes, we do. However, I think you are speaking of God and Christ, and if so, you are in error. For they are the ones who expect no such thing. But, like so many others, rather than find out how they TRULY are... you have taken earthling man's word for it... that they ARE as you have depicted. All I am trying to do is get those of you who want to know the TRUTH... to be able to do so: ask... THEM. STOP relying on what earthling man has told you.
To ME... that is freedom... forward thinking. If I want to know TRULY how somebody is... what THEY think... it would seem to ME that the kind, loving, INTELLIGENT thing to do... would be to ask THEM.
Shelby, you are a real sweetheart of a person. But, if you think you can come here, to a place where people come to heal from a life damaged by the same exact philosophy you preach about in these threads, you are truly blind.
I do not preach the same philosophy as the WTBTS, Dave. Not in any sense. What I share is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what they teach. Were it the same, would have embraced me. Yes? But, it is not and they don't BECAUSE it is not.
Just a very few here come close to thinking the way you do. Just because the rest of us do not, doesn't mean we are the opposite of you and thus the enemies of your personal conception of god or what is good and evil.
First, Dave, I must ask, should the few be overlooked for the sake of the majority? Who, then, is holding to the teachings of the WTBTS? Second, IF one puts themselves in the category of being "opposite" of me and thus my "enemy", I would have to ask them, why? IF someone saw themselves in something I posted, why? I named no names.
It doesn't mean we are without the understanding of what real love is or we do not care about our fellow humans. Some question and some mock what you say because believe it or not, we've heard it all before and it has turned out to be life's biggest lie.
Well, Dave, I disagree: first, that you have not heard it all before. Rather, you have heard others take what others LIKE me have said, and made it their OWN... in order to misguide and mislead. Second, that IF you knew what real love is... you would have NO problem with what I post BY MEANS of that love. You would live... and let me live. You would not attack, berate, ridicule, and lie on me (not you, but others). For love doesn't do such things. Instead, you would try and put yourself in the other's place and try and UNDERSTAND what it takes to TELL such truths... particularly among a group of folks who don't WANT it. You can't simply overlook the small group who does because the larger group is more vocal and puts on more pressure. Right? 'Cause right is right, isn't it, even if the majority don't think so?
No matter how you package it or what particular religion sells it, it is still the same old rotting message.
If religion "sells" it, then you should beware. If, however, it is given to you FREE... perhaps you might want to give it consideration.
Because most of us can make up our own minds with a high level of intelligence based on our experience in life we have only a few choices when reacting to what you say. We can either blow it off and write it off to you being a bit mentally unstable (as I do),
You can. It is, after all, your choice: to hear... or refrain...
or, we can raise our voices in contempt to hearing the same old line of bull from just another religious fanatic.
But, you would NOT be the exception to the rule in doing so, would you, but rather, the norm. Yes? I mean, hasn't it ALWAYS been that way? What I find interesting is that you can see yourselves on the opposite side of the coin when you relate to your position with the Society. Yes? For example, when a small group TELLS THE TRUTH about being molested, and yet, have to face the ridicule and lies and HATEFUL LABELS of the larger group, the WTBTS. Yes? And yet, you hypocritically do the VERY SAME THING. Explain this to me, if you will, dear Dave...
One produces a feeling of caring and concern. The other contempt and mockery.
And some of you have learned the other "thing" from your previous "mother", the WTBTS, which taught you such ways: anyone who doesn't believe what WE do is to be ridiculed, marked, expelled and labeled as crazy and a trouble-maker. And you learned... quite well. However, I would tell you to leave off from it...
Either way, it's because of what you say along with how you say it that gives you the reactions you get. Coming back at us and saying what you just said in your last post shows what kind of love and understanding you really have and definitely reflects the kind of love you share with your god.
Are you serious? I "heard" what some were saying... and I just put in TRUTHFUL words, words that were we living in another time WOULD have been said. I had no problem doing that. Why do you have a problem WITH me doing it? Oh, that's right... it's no longer "politically correct". We can THINK it... but we can't SAY it. Right?
Look at who talks like you and says almost the same thing as you do on this forum. The man is and has been recognized as a complete egocentric nut ball out to praise his own self for years on the Internet. You have just aligned yourself as his JWD side kick by talking and posting the same way he has.
Oh, Lordy - you must mean JCanon. Larry and I do NOT say the same thing. Not at all. In fact, we are almost completely in opposition. He is not my Lord.
What did you really expect Shelby? Golf claps?
Oh no, I didn't expect approval. Not at all. Why would you even think that? Because I went further and explained myself? Because I made a defense? But certainly you saw where I posted "Believe it or don't believe it. It will not add one cubit to my life span whether you do or don't." I am not responding to folks' lack of faith in what I posted; that's their perogative. I am responding... to their hypocrisy.
I'm sure you are not completely as most of us might think you are. Something for you to think about, neither are all of us.
Dave, I'm not crazy. I am not better. I am just different. I said that. Wait! Is THAT the problem? Is that what folks are going on about, that I am different? Who CARES? Why does such a thing "bother" folks? And if it is because you've "heard it all before" that there is such chagrin and animosity, WHY OPEN MY THREADS? If you KNOW where I am going to be coming from, WHY GO THERE? The truth is because some of you DO hear the truth, which is why you keep coming back, checking. The problem is... you don't want the responsibility that comes with KNOWING such truth. What responsibility is that? That you, too, one might have to post, say, and/or tell the same things. And you don't WANT that. So, get rid of it: if it ain't there... you don't have to think about it.
I don't know what to tell you other than what I do: I completely disagree with JCanon, so... I very rarely open his threads. I know what he believes and it is not my belief. However, I have NO right (for love does not give me the right)... to maliciously malign him for stating whatever it is that he DOES believe.
Take care and sweet dreams.
Back at'cha, Davie...
A slave to no one. Dave
YOUR servant... and a slave of Christ,
SJ

schizophrenia .......sound like anybody you know?

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