"Why don't you just call yourself an atheist?"

by slimboyfat 46 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    The best answer to this question ever. I don't tire listening to it.

    "I am not, I am not simply the one who says 'I'"

    Pure genius. Derrida is profound and ridiculous at the same time.

    (Warning: this is the sort of clip Cofty or nicolou will switch off in under 30 seconds)

    http://youtu.be/hcl00tc-WHc

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    "Belief implies some atheism"

    "True believers experience atheism all the time"

    "They know this better than anyone else"

    "I just write such sentences..."

  • cofty
    cofty

    I listened to all 7 minutes.

    I'm sure he could be even more opaque with a bit of effort.

    I dislike the atheist epithet.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    His point about belief involving atheism reminds me of this story about Mother Theresa. And the stupidity of Hitchens who latched onto it as proof that she somehow wasn't a believer. Her belief was proved by her atheism.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/aug/24/wasmotherteresaanatheist

    http://youtu.be/LUfLozwRln0

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    Slimboy, do you honestly find that sort of white noise, windbaggery profound?!

    Yes, I listened to it in full but to spare anyone else you can read the transcript here.

    Nine years ago I wrote in a topic that "I may even stop referring to myself as an atheist from now on." I haven't. It's not the most important label but I've come to feel it's a useful one.

    I can't abide commentary like this which, instead of clarifying and illuminating a question just obscures it with a smog of verbiage.

  • cofty
    cofty
    ^^^^ This ^^^^
  • never a jw
    never a jw
    Who is Derrida?...a former writer of the Watchtower, later turned philosopher. Same style, just different belief system.
  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat
    Yes I do. Derrida obfuscates on purpose, it's kind of the point. Sometimes clarification is distortion. What Derrida offers is honesty in all its confusion, uncertainty, and irrationality. It's utterly human, and better than the windbags like Ditchkens who, "tell it like it is".
  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat
    Yes never a jw Derrida was a Watchtower writer, but they fired him because his articles on Plato were too pagan.
  • never a jw
    never a jw
    Plato? other the new testament, mainly Paul's letters, I have never read an article about Plato in the WT

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