You know you're really dim-witted when? (You actually think a defeated President can successfully REFUSE to step down)

by Terry 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • Terry
    Terry
    You know you're really dim-witted when ...?
    When you're easily convinced about a total impossibility.
    Such as what?
    Such as a defeated President ACTUALLY being ABLE to refuse
    to step down from office.
    A total IMPOSSIBILITY!
    No matter how silly you are ... you have to be pretty gullible to entertain that scenario!
    Just because somebody is irrational, obstinate, and intransigent doesn't mean 4 armed men can't remove them from a premises.
    Spend just a brief moment analyzing this and you'll have to agree.
    As Fred Kaplan says in Slate Magazine:
    "The morning of Jan. 20, 2021. Trump doesn’t meet President-elect Joe Biden and his wife in the White House driveway, nor does he attend the inauguration on Capitol Hill. Instead, he proclaims, as he has many times by this point, that the election was a fraud (he has set the stage for this with his false claims about mail-in ballots), and at noon, instead of acceding to the transfer of power, Trump proclaims that the swearing in was FAKE NEWS and that he remains the president.
    Here is what would happen next.
    On the dot of noon, the nuclear codes, which currently allow Trump to order and authenticate a nuclear attack, expire. The officer who has been following him around everywhere with the “football”—which, contrary to popular belief, is not a button or a palm print but rather a book filled with various launch codes—leaves. If Trump and whatever lackeys stay with him prevent the officer from leaving, another officer, holding a backup football, would join Biden at the inauguration ceremony.
    By the same token, the entire U.S. military establishment will pivot away from ex-President Trump and salute President Biden. The principle of civilian control is hammered into American officers from the time they’re cadets—and the 20th Amendment of the Constitution states, “The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January”—no ifs, ands, or buts.
    If Trump orders the military to do anything, they will refuse his order. If any officers obey his order—say, to circle the White House to keep him in power—they would certainly be tried and convicted on charges of mutiny and sedition, and they would know this before taking the leap.
    Meanwhile, the Secret Service will abandon Trump, as they do every president whose term is up, except for a small detail assigned to protect him and his family for the rest of their lives.
    Overseas, foreign leaders will cut off relations with the U.S. ambassadors in their capitals and await instructions from Biden or his acting secretary of state.
    Meanwhile, Biden’s acting attorney general will have drawn up arrest warrants for Donald J. Trump and anyone who remains at his side on charges—at minimum—of criminal trespassing. If Trump calls on the armed forces or militias or the nation’s sheriffs to come defend him, he might also be charged with incitement or insurrection.
    If any of Trump’s aides or Cabinet officers continue to take his orders, they too could face criminal charges and, in any case, would have a hard time finding respectable employment after the pretend monarch is taken away in handcuffs.
    If armed militiamen and sheriffs rally to the White House and they refuse to let U.S. marshals through the gates, a small contingent of Secret Service or the National Guard could be called up to enforce the law. If that doesn’t work, a few M1 tanks rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue should make the would-be rebels flee. It would be terrible if the standoff came to this, but Commander in Chief Biden would have this option available, if necessary.
    In other words, Trump could hole himself up in the Oval Office, but the Oval Office would very soon be cut off from all power. He would have no choice but to give up."
    So KNOCK IT OFF already. Don't make a fool of yourself in public
    buying into this crazy media conspiracy.
    Trump says things to demonstrate the "crazy" in his opposition.
    There is no END to that kind of crazy! (Trump derangement syndrome)
  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Wasn't it Hilarious Hillary that told Biden not to accept defeat even if Trump wins the election. Seems to me the shoe is somehow on the wrong foot.

  • Simon
    Simon

    If the election results are in doubt, the incumbent president should stay in office.

    But the dems are very vocal about not respecting the result of the election, trying to make out it's a Trump thing is just more of the tiresome TDS.

  • Mr.Finkelstein
    Mr.Finkelstein

    Trump started this conspiracy theory himself when he was running against Hilary Clinton, now he's at it again, in his recent statements toward the end results of this election..

    After the votes are counted and if they go against him and the Republicans and he says the election was a fraud and rigged, the government isn't going to do anything but make sure he leaves, if by armed guard if necessary.

  • Simon
    Simon
    Trump started this conspiracy theory himself when he was running against Hilary Clinton

    Except it's now been proven: Obama didn't want to leave office but instead appoint Clinton as a successor and they used dirty tricks to try to achieve it and undermine Trumps presidency

    PS. no more TDS BS please

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    If the election results are in doubt, the incumbent president should stay in office.

    No he shouldn't By law, the term of office ends at noon on January 20, 2021. If the election is still in dispute, the Speaker of the House becomes President. It is not clear if the term of office then expires when the election is no longer in dispute or at noon on January 20, 2025. In my opinion, if we get to this point the election will never be not in dispute.

    The other thing that could happen is the state legislatures use their plenary authority under Article 2, section 1B to appoint electors as they see fit; skipping the election entirely.

  • Mr.Finkelstein
    Mr.Finkelstein

    Thanks for the clarification JeffT

  • Simon
    Simon
    If the election is still in dispute, the Speaker of the House becomes President.

    It's clear what the democrats tactics are - to deliberately create a disputed election so they can seize power illegitimately.

    Pelosi isn't fit and we'd immediately see a repeat of the democratic corruption and interference to prevent a fair result being decided.

    It'll be another one of their "whoopsie, we accidentally wiped dozens of phones and deleted thousands of emails"

  • shepherdless
    shepherdless
    You know you're really dim-witted when? (You actually think a defeated President can successfully REFUSE to step down)
    Well it has happened plenty of times in the past; particularly in Africa. And that was despite constitutions that were (on paper) better drafted than the US Constitution.
  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW

    Well it has happened plenty of times in the past; particularly in Africa.

    This ain't Africa! Give the TDS a rest, as Simon has politely asked.

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