Youre saying blood storage is approved is my contention is its not .The procedure of hemodilution,this is a procedure that can be done during surgery that dont require storage of the blood,you make it sound like it can be stored as well , amount of blood is allowed to recirculate is no difference than dialysis.
Questions About the Watchtower's View on Blood Transfusions.
by Pallbearer 40 Replies latest watchtower medical
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Alex Williams
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Vanderhoven7
Alex,,,you seem to have a hard time answering specific questions, instead you provide outdated answers to questions nobody asked.
I'll reduce my 3 questions to just one
How can the WTS allow organ transplants when millions of white blood cells are transferred with every transplant?
Please explain.
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TD
Sigh...
I can assure you, Alex, that both procedures involve a temporary storage of blood.
As a simple thought experiment, why don't you describe hemodilution in your own words. You don't have to use medical terms if you don't want to. Simple layman's terms would be more than adequete
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Alex Williams
Admittedly I'm not an expert on blood procedures ,This is what Ive found on the subject
Patients who are Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions and blood products as a matter of faith. For surgical procedures during which substantial blood loss is possible, their refusal presents a challenge. 'Anesthetists must generally respect the requests of adults not to receive blood and thus should have a clear understanding of how they will respond in the event of bleeding. Several blood conservation techniques are available for consideration, including acute normovolemic hemodilution. This technique entails the preoperative phlebotomy of whole blood that contains a high concentration of red blood cells and coagulation Patiefactors, while replacing the lost volume with a crystalloid and/or colloid infusion. The procured whole blood can then be transfused back during or after the procedure as a treatment of hypovolemia. Leaving the procured blood continuously attached to the patient through the collection tubing makes the procedure acceptable to most Jehovah's Witness patients. Current literature is unclear when this technique should be used. In this particular case, acute normovolemic hemodilution contributed to the successful outcome of an anemic Jehovah's Witness who was undergoing major surgery.
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cofty
Admittedly I'm not an expert on blood procedures
Then why not stop making a lot of noise, take a step back and listen to those who are?
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Alex Williams
After receiving a transplant, white blood cell count will decrease quickly and will remain low until the new cells begin to grow (engraftment). During this time, you are at great risk for developing an infection since you will not have white blood cells to fight bacteria, viruses or fungi. We are talking bloodless surgery here where
the donor's blood is flushed from the body as the organs are flushed. The blood is not used in any transfusions. So it would be dumb to transfer millions of white blood cells and think its acceptablehttps://www.ahn.org/specialties/bloodless-medicine/organ-transplantation-without-blood
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Alex Williams
cofty 2 minutes ago
Admittedly I'm not an expert on blood procedures
"Then why not stop making a lot of noise, take a step back and listen to those who are?"So we have here armchair hematologists and immunologists ?
Hematologist and Immunologist
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cofty
Alex - Where did claim to be an expert on the science of medical blood procedures?
Slow down and try engaging in conversations.
TD is a contributor you should engage with on this topic.
If you want to talk about the biblical position on blood see my link above.
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TD
Alex,
Leaving the procured blood continuously attached to the patient through the collection tubing makes the procedure acceptable to most Jehovah's Witness patients.
Yes and this was the point I was driving at. You quoted an article from a time (1981) when this procedure was not acceptable to JW's in any form, as it was considered a storage of blood outside the body. (To be honest it is difficult to see that much blood (~Two units) collected in storage bags and not think it's being stored.)
As I said, JW HLC's recommend both uses of autologous blood today, (hemodilution and cell salvage) and in some cases have actually donated the equipment for the latter.
Rather that quote articles back and forth about a friendly discussion?
Do you believe that transfusion falls under the umbrella of biblical prohibitions against eating blood?
If so, why? I honestly don't see how the argument can be made without establishing an equivalency of some sort.....