Coming up with excuses for a God who isn't there?
How about "He isn't there." ?
If God exists, what would be a good reason why he never communicates or helps his creation by intervention?
by pistolpete 56 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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OnTheWayOut
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pistolpete
truth_b_known
Look at it another way - suppose there was a consciousness that decided to manifest as the universe. Everything, everyone is this divine consciousness. This consciousness wants everyone to recognize the divinity within as that is where divinity is hidden. Our job is to wake up and realize this.
Yes, this is a possibility!
People in the past, like in the time of Moses or Jesus, had no idea about things such as galaxies, solar systems, etc.
Perhaps we are getting closer to finding out what the hell is going on.
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pistolpete
OnTheWayOut
Coming up with excuses for a God who isn't there?
How about "He isn't there." ?
What if he is??
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slimboyfat
The point is IF there is a god why is it not apparent he is communicating with us.
Communication with God is apparent to those who have experienced it. Around a third to a half of people report some kind of communication with God when surveyed. That’s a lot of communication going on for a supposedly hidden God. If you’re going to ask why God doesn’t communicate with humans, it would seem reasonable first to answer the rather obvious point that he does communicate with an awful lot of people. Or if you don’t believe them, why don’t you believe them.
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truth_b_known
The point is IF there is a god why is it not apparent he is communicating with us.
Religious leaders won't let us. Any experience we have is dismissed as mental illness, drug use, or "it just has to be something else. We will figure it out in the future."
"Why?"
"Because it's not your job to have such experiences. Now, put a few crisp twenties on the plate, pass it, and praise Jesus." - Just about every religious leader in the world.
Religion vs spirituality.
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PaddyTheBaddy
One way God may communicate with humankind is through both the physical and moral laws. Moral laws may be likened to having received a letter from your parents giving you information, not about how you must behave, as in the case with the physical laws, but more how you ought to behave. I think the “ ought" in this case comes with a condition. That being you value a world where people live together in peace and harmony.
Both the physical and moral laws reflect something about what or who it is that produced the universe we find ourselves in.
From Richard Dawkin’s observation of the world he finds himself in he concludes the following
"The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”
So according to this view, something which is pitiless and indifferent produced our universe and everything we observe in the world around us, including humans who can display mercy and compassion. -
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dropoffyourkeylee
A little off topic, but this thread reminds me of a joke my mom used to tell:
How do we know there is intelligent life in outer space?
Because they haven't contacted us.
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Harvey
The reason gods existed in human cognitive awareness throughout history is because they were something needed and wanted to exist by humanity which is undeniably related to human ignorance itself.
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PaddyTheBaddy
The reason gods existed in human cognitive awareness throughout history is because they were something needed and wanted to exist by humanity which is undeniably related to human ignorance itself.
If they were needed and wanted to exist by humanity, which materialism states is the product of deterministic laws, then what you are really saying, is that this need and want was front loaded from the very beginning into the physical attributes of the universe itself.
You can want what it is that you want, but if you hold to materialism then you can't choose the wants you possess. For that you would need among other things "free will" which materialism can't provide you with.