The JWs who don't believe JW doctrine

by evilApostate 15 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  evilApostate

  To me it seems that there are a growing number of JWs who reject a few to most doctrines of JWs and yet still believe that they are in "Jehovah's Organisation." I have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-JWs.

  Take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793

  Those are JWs who reject 1914 and even the GB. They claim that Jokehova will cleanse the organisation at the time of the end and only the true servants will survive.

  The problem is that that logic can be applied to any church in existence. They might as well go to a Catholic church whilst rejecting some doctrines and keeping their own beliefs. Wouldn't Jokehova also cleanse the Catholic church (or any other church for that matter) at the time of the end and save his true worshippers? What makes JW land still so special?
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  evilApostate

  Here is another link:

  http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/how-did-you-react-when-you-learned-the-truth-about-the-truth-ttatt.2523/

  Above are people who learnt TTATT but remain "JWs". Cognitive Dissonance?

  OP said it made him "spiritually stronger." lol
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  schnell

  Those are JWs who reject 1914 and even the GB. They claim that Jokehova will cleanse the organisation at the time of the end and only the true servants will survive.

  The problem is that that logic can be applied to any church in existence. They might as well go to a Catholic church whilst rejecting some doctrines and keeping their own beliefs. Wouldn't Jokehova also cleanse the Catholic church (or any other church for that matter) at the time of the end and save his true worshippers? What makes JW land still so special?

  My brother is like this. It's his get-out-of-jail-free card, so even though he's DFed and the elders treated him like dirt, he persists.

  As with any cult, a lot of people like the fellowship, even though it isn't great all the time. Or perhaps they're used to it. They don't want to leave.

  But yes. You can apply this to any other church and the logic is satisfied, which is also why householders have every right to say they have their own church. So how is this a selling point?
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  scratchme1010

  The problem is that that logic can be applied to any church in existence. They might as well go to a Catholic church whilst rejecting some doctrines and keeping their own beliefs. Wouldn't Jokehova also cleanse the Catholic church (or any other church for that matter) at the time of the end and save his true worshippers? What makes JW land still so special?
  

  Nothing makes them special, not before, not now. Perception is reality to the perceiver. They are convinced that they are the ones and only people with the entire truth about everything and that they are the only ones right about everything, even when they reject some of their own teachings. They believe to be chosen, and as such, in their minds they are convinced that even if they don't get everything right they are still in their Jehovah's favor.

  Also, please note that all the nonsense you see them explaining and defending should be place in the right perspective. They are not defending any teaching and doctrine. They are defending their choice of remaining JWs and they do that for fear of losing what the WT gives them to feel the comfort they need.
  
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  NVR2L8

  The concept of "new light" creates the illusion of a higher being correcting the path of his people in due time. It doesn't matter for JWs not to have the correct understanding now because if they wait long enough things will be corrected and in their view no other religion benefit from such divine adjustments.
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  Half banana

  It’s an interesting situation and yes it can apply to any church but there’s a difference.

  I listened with interest to two Roman Catholic friends of mine speaking to each other about taking their doctrines seriously and they both agreed that they didn’t believe in a literal approach but were happy to remain churchgoers.

  In JW land however, the cultural norm is to take everything rather more seriously. The slightest hint of disbelief is treated with horror! It would be symptomatic of disloyalty to the GB that you are becoming an unbeliever and that would mean being destined to become bird food at big A. It is the worst thing ever to express religious doubt in JW company. Doubt after all is far more contagious than belief!

  I think what is happening is that the JW org it's becoming like a large wooden building held together by frequent glossy paintwork! This covers decaying clapboarding still nailed to an insect eaten frame. It looks bright on the outside but remains on the verge of collapse. (Come on, the Watchtower loves awful illustrations!)

  As more and more only remain for family’s sake; it will reach the critical level when non-believing attendants will equal the number of “true believers” or when sufficient individuals feel confident enough to disclose their unbelief publicly in the kh.

  I do suggest by the way that all unbelieving attenders should seed doubt in the most cunning ways you can contrive. I wish I had done that more skillfully. A still-in friend of mine has honed this to an art form. With a straight face he takes the GB's line to its logical extreme, to the point of absurdity but disconcertingly to his listener, claims to believe it must be true.
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  blondie

  They are smorgasbord jws as the WTS condemns other religions or private religion.

  Clearly, in many respects private religion falls short of satisfying the spiritual needs of people. Really, how could a person reasonably expect to fill such needs by simply selecting beliefs from various traditions, as if picking the most enticing dishes at a buffet table or smorgasbord? It also seems clear that organized religion has failed to fill such needs. Where, then, can we turn?

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200274839/30/6
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  schnell

  I tried to attend meetings and gatherings knowing full well that evolution is a fact and with some influence of areligious Buddhism. I had also once thought that we could travel into space in the new system...

  • At the meeting, evolution was called a false teaching.
  • At a gathering, the first thing the old sisters brought up once they got in the door was evolution and Buddhism.
  • At that same gathering, a young brother talked about how great it'll be float around in space in the new system.

  It was so surreal. My cognitive dissonance became physically manifested and I had to leave. I don't see how anyone can want to stay if they know this and this and this and that is not true.
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  evilApostate

  I listened with interest to two Roman Catholic friends of mine speaking to each other about taking their doctrines seriously and they both agreed that they didn’t believe in a literal approach but were happy to remain churchgoers.
  In JW land however, the cultural norm is to take everything rather more seriously. The slightest hint of disbelief is treated with horror! It would be symptomatic of disloyalty to the GB that you are becoming an unbeliever and that would mean being destined to become bird food at big A. It is the worst thing ever to express religious doubt in JW company. Doubt after all is far more contagious than belief!

  Therefore, they have no valid reasons to remain (other than for fear of losing family and friends). In a normal church you have the freedom to believe (or not believe) whatever doctrines you want.

  Also, please note that all the nonsense you see them explaining and defending should be place in the right perspective. They are not defending any teaching and doctrine. They are defending their choice of remaining JWs and they do that for fear of losing what the WT gives them to feel the comfort they need.

  That's the thing. They are not really JWs if they reject JW doctrine. Many of them reject the GB as well. So... why not go to any regular church?

  I think what they are trying to do is to redefine what being a JW means. The problem with that is that there can be no clear definition unless they all agree on what doctrines constitute JW doctrines. They might as well start a new denomination with a new name.
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  LongHairGal

  I'm sure many JWs don't believe all the religion's doctrines. I didn't.

  When I was in - there were some teachings that went in one ear and out the other....For instance: people saying they were "anointed"; the GB saying or implying that God communicates with them; and people who wanted to believe that elders were appointed by "Holy Spirit". I just rolled my eyeballs and ignored it all.

  Nowadays, I'm sure it's the same there. Does anybody think all the sad and depressed individuals there are up on the latest teachings? I seriously doubt it. All you need there now is a pulse and the ability to nod your head Yes.

  In my opinion, the nature of the religion and its belief of "new light" makes this acceptable in the back of people's minds. I also feel that since the religion has the name of "Jehovah" (which IT chose, by the way), there are individuals there who feel that He will correct things and they will stay no matter what.