November 1, 2016 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Using and Maintaining Kingdom Halls

by wifibandit 42 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Something doesn't add up here. In Paragraph 23 and 24, they are saying that the congregation is responsible for minor repairs and that they should keep no more than three months of operating expenses in the bank. But than, in the "Summary of Work" table (last page), they say that the congregation is responsible for replacing the roof tiles, the chairs, the carpets, etc. These expenses can be very costly.

  As they won't have the ability to save through several years for these type of expenses, they will have to put pressure on the publishers to shell out more money right then when the need show up. Problem is this however: Those publishers probably already had given enough money for that through the years. But that Watchtower grabbed it every time the local congregation had too much money.

  Here, the Watchtower expects the congregations to pay up like tenants but will not itself, act as a landlord.
  
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  sir82

  Here, the Watchtower expects the congregations to pay up like tenants but will not itself, act as a landlord.

  Diabolically brilliant, if you ask me. An evil genius could not come up with a better scheme.
  
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  WTWizard

  What about putting the hall computer onto this web site:
  http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/HOME.html

  and leaving it right there, open? Anyone who wishes to browse the site would be free to do so. I highly recommend browsing this site during the boasting session, whether through the hall computer or your own device, even if you have to use 4G connections to do it. It is well worth the data cost to have something other than Kingdumb littera-trash to read during the boasting session.

  If you can find the pdf of that site, download it at home, put it on a memory card that fits your device, and browse it from the memory card. No use of the hall connection, no data charge, no nothing. And there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.
  
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  flipper

  Well, this just confirms all of our recent suspicions concerning the sell offs of kingdom halls and consolidation situations going on. WT is trying to get it's ducks in a row " using " the elders ( of course ) to make sure these buildings are well maintained before the many sales and consolidation of kingdom halls. And just to make sure the WT puts the little part in there about realizing who really owns the kingdom halls. I like Shadows point about them reporting theft or damage to kingdom halls to police- yet they won't do it regarding child abuse unless contacting Bethel legal. Shows WT leaders priorities for sure. Greedy sons of bitches
  
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  blondie

  So only those in "good standing" get the password, having to approach the elders one and one to find out if they are in good standing or not. And if not open the door for counseling? Or if your elderly father or mother, are housebound or in a nursing home, do they have to call or come to the KH to get it, or can you your caretaker get it for them even if you are not considered "in good standing"?

  Df'd, da'd, inactive, missed one month of d2d, marked by the BOE, wrong dress and grooming?
  
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  pale.emperor

  Few things here (and it was a very boring letter by the way):

  Ownership: Each Kingdom Hall is dedicated to the worship of Jehovah. Whether the property title, or deed, is held in the name of a local corporation or trustee arrangement or it is held in the name of a legal entity managed by the branch office, no congregation should conclude that it “owns” the Kingdom Hall. However, it is the responsibility of the congregations using the property to care for it and see that it is used in harmony with Kingdom interests.
  

  1. Im no lawyer but are they seriously saying that lets say The Artist Formally Known As "Prince", for example, personally paid for a KH to be built on his own land, that the WT would still own it? Am i reading that right?
  

  2. Of course no sister is mentioned as being qualified to handle the cleaning schedule. But she's more than qualified to get scrubbing like everyone else. How many women out there run their own cleaning businesses? I know of at least three from my old JW days.

  3. Cleaning co-ordinator? Really? They just love their titles dont they?
  
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  blondie

  If the KH were owned by the congregation holding the territory it stood on, it would not qualify as a religious non-profit. Even the WTS does not "own" the property but administers it under the same trustee arrangement as the parent non-profit.

  http://cullinanelaw.com/nonprofit-law-basics-who-owns-a-nonprofit/
  
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  Funchback

  So, if I accessed ESPN during the meeting and they busted me, I would then have to show repentance? If I were given the password in the future and then accessed NASA's site, would they then pull me in to a judicial committee?

  What a wack-a-doodle religion.
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  wifibandit

  @ Funchback

  Well, it depends. Is it ESPN just for a quick sports score, or are you watching Olympic Women's Volleyball? Bikini competitions? Swimsuit Edition of Sports Illustrated was treated as "Pornography Fractions" at Bethel.

  Oh, and are you repentant?!
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  Mephis

  If the KH were owned by the congregation holding the territory it stood on, it would not qualify as a religious non-profit. Even the WTS does not "own" the property but administers it under the same trustee arrangement as the parent non-profit.

  British law (as this is British branch letter) is different to that. It's actually possible for local trustees (which the congregation running the Kingdom Hall will have) to refuse the dictats of a centrally organised religion about property. Doesn't change anything for tax purposes really - each is individually registered as a charity. Trustees have responsibility to their charity, not the overall organisation. Of course, no body of elders would take this through the courts if they were told to sell off. But the case law is there to support them if any did choose to do so.