1975: Much ado about nothing?

by dutyfree 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • dutyfree
    dutyfree

    Many of the senior witnesses out there, I am sure will remember the spring/summer of 1975 and the amount of excitement that was in the air surrounding the anticipation of what the new year would bring.

    I have no recollection of such events as I was still in short trousers and wearing a strange cap, but anyway...

    Fred Franz, the vice president at the time gave many talks to 000's of people about how much everyone was looking forward to 1975 and the wonderful things it would bring... without making an explicit statement as such, but the implications were all there. These talks actually began in about 1966. The anticipation grew too much for some people and many began to heed Mr Franz's advice about selling their property to live out the last months on the earth in the pioneer service. He also encouraged the young people not to pursue a career but rather to be more active in "the truth". Many people heeded this advice also, which was to prove to be a major disappointment for many 000's the world over.

    1975 turned into 1976 and still there was no sign of the Apocalypse. By the time March '76 arrived it became clear that it was just not going to happen. Everything carried on as normal.

    Did the witnesses receive an apology? Not to my knowledge! In fact, the only words spoken about it came about 4 years later, at a District Assembly where the people were told, '... you should not have expected anything...'

    I am interested in hearing from people who were around in "the truth" at that time and to what extent this level of anticipation swept the land.

    Many thanks,

    [email protected]

  • metatron
    metatron

    Yes, we were dumb enough to believe this crap.
    I was corrected by a Bethel elder for questioning the
    chronology. I reasoned that such an exact date as '75
    was impossible because there's no way of knowing how
    things were "rounded off" by Bible writers. But of course,
    that couldn't be right because "Brother, all that information
    is in the Bible for a good reason!". I also understand
    that Fred Franz made some personal statements to people
    about how their kids would never grow up in this world.

    metatron

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    I remember it well!

    1975 was the year when the world would change.

    Would I have lost my virginity by then? (Yes).

    Would Portsmouth FC have been promoted to the premiership? (No)

    Would my grandfather be resurrected in that year? (No, and my father has since died).

    Some dubs thought that the end would come in '76, the dates being slightly awry. In the UK, it didn't rain for seven months and much was made of vultures being spotted in Cornwall, they, (the 2 vultures) were going to eat all the millions of dead people, many of whom have the affrontery to be inconsiderately alive today.

    Englishman.

  • SanFranciscoJim
    SanFranciscoJim

    I, too, lived through the 1975 fiasco and remember it vividly.
    An elderly sister in my congregation put aside major surgery and died. That was all right... she'd be resurrected in a few months anyway....NOT!!
    Not only were we not apologized to, we were slapped on the wrist for being gullible to believe Armageddon would actually come as predicted. We were told that the Society had never directly stated that Armageddon would come in '75 (although the implications were undeniable and extraordinary). I remember attending a District Assembly in Atlanta shortly after we were all reeling from our no-1975 hangovers. The speaker was an eloquent District Overseer (can't remember his name) who told us point blank that 1975 marked 6000 years of the creation of Adam. Since Armageddon wouldn't come until the 6000th anniversary of the creation of Eve, and the Bible does not state the amount of time between Adam's creation and Eve's creation, to quote him exactly: "We are now out on uncharted waters". That was as close to an apology as they ever got.

  • Francois
    Francois

    I was there in the KH, in August, 1966 (22 years old) when the congregation overseer (my uncle) came back from the assembly in Vancouver, BC with the book, "Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God." He delivered a special talk that Sunday based on the book and its promise.

    Opening the book to its fateful page, he read to the congregation all about how 1975 represented the end of 6,000 years of human history, and "we all know what that means"; wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

    It was accepted as absolute truth, this teaching that Armageddon was coming - and soon. When we'd go out peddling WT publications we would choose which house we wanted to take over when its current occupants had been consumed by the birds of the heavens. Of course, it was the fancy, half-million dollar homes we wanted. Materialistic to the end. And past.

    Passing by a football stadium, one congregation servant wondered out loud what we were going to use that for after armageddon. "We ain't gonna play no more football?" I asked in my best redneck imitation.

    This prophecy wasn't presented in the nature of a suggestion, either. You HAD to believe it. It was not optional. If you openly questioned the prophecy, or dared question the wisdom of announcing D-Day for public consumption, you were considered weak, and you might have a group of "older glorious men, the luminous, numinous, brilliant wise ones" who lit up in the dark all by themselves come to your house to "adjust" your thinking. I mean, it was a BIG DEAL to express any doubt about the Jay-Dub's teachings on this little matter. A very big deal.

    We were actually supposed to go out in our territories and preach this stuff door to door. I think that's when the practice of dropping off an old WT at the Waffle House while playing with your food for two hours started. Anything but having to look someone in the face and saying "The End is Near." Just couldn't do it.

    One overseer I knew in Savannah, GA went out in 1973 and borrowed fifty thousand dollars against his home since he knew he wouldn't have to pay it back. He took his family on a world cruise. And he died in 1978 a broken man, still owing the bulk of the fifty large, and dumber than a box of rocks.

    My best friend at the time decided not to go to college since the "end was so near" and he still works a minimum-wage job with his GED accomplishment to this very day. He did get married, but swore he wouldn't have children "this side of armageddon." He did. And struggled to raise this child on his munificent income. And he's an elder today.

    Another elder got a vanity license plate on his car that read "1975".

    I went on with my plans to go to college - against the advice of every elder I knew. I was looked at askance because I wasn't buying the party line. Heretic, doncha know.

    The society hedged its bets on its prediction that the game would be up in '75. But there were enough tell-tale statements from the society to hang it high when it tried to deny what it had done. Comments in the Kingdom Ministry about how the new world would be coming in a matter of months, not years. And many other comments of the ilk, like commenting on a couple who had sold their home and entered the missionary service, "...what a fine way to spend in the short time remaining in this old system of things."

    Of course, when the, um, ship hit the sand, the Borg did what all abusers do, it blamed the victim, you and I and all the other every-day publishers at the time. I mean, when you're directed by God, you can't admit you engaged in false prophecy, now can you?

    This bad, bad failure of judgement was characterised by the WTB&TS later as, "a natural enough mistake to make." NATURAL ENOUGH mistake? Hold on just a chicken-pluckin', pickle-packin', kipper strippin' minute. The Borg says they're the only channel of, well, you know. And now they're making natural enough mistakes? Lotsa "ifs" in their explanations as I remember. Hell, if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon; if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass so much, if a...

    Anyway, there's what I remember right off the point of my head. There's much more, but this is a family bulletin board.

    I'm about to fall over face down into my keyboard, so I'm gonna quit now (applause) and hit the saque.

    Francoise

  • XJWBill
    XJWBill

    Ditto to all the above. I started studying with the JW's in high school in 1970, after a friend sent me some literature. One of the very first things I was told was that there was absolutely no point in preparing for college, since the world was coming to an end in 1975! So I applied for no scholarships and took minimum-wage jobs after high school, which p.o.'d my non-JW parents no end--and rightly so.)

    As Francoise says, "This prophecy wasn't presented in the nature of a suggestion, either. You HAD to believe it. It was not optional." Which we all did, like good little other sheep.

    I could recount lots of conversations, too. Like the time I bought a couch in 1974 and discovered a minor defect. A friend remarked, "Oh, don't bother to complain to the store about it--the New System will be here next year, and then it won't matter." Or the friend who got a four-year-renewal driver's license in 1971, expecting never to have to renew it again. Or the sister, an otherwise very loving parent, who declined to get minor surgery to correct a daughter's disfigured finger, reasoning that "In a couple of years, Jehovah will heal her after Armageddon." Or the elder (with a wife and two teenagers to support) who quit his job in 1974, planning to pioneer and live on savings until the big kaboom, only a short time ahead. Etc., etc., etc.

    It was NOT "just a rumor" as apparently the WTBTS is claiming now. True, they were cagey enough never to put it in writing as a definite assertion, but EVERYONE in the organization from top to bottom fully believed and expected Armageddon to arrive on schedule in '75. I know, I was there. And the GB and all their appointed representatives deliberately encouraged that expectation.

    I heard the same explanation about Eve's creation date that Jim mentions above, in a Special Talk in December, 1974, for which our circuit rented a municipal auditorium for one day. So with that in mind, I personally wasn't too concerned when 1975 came and went with no Armageddon.

    I walked away in 1977 not for that reason, but on account of my sexuality, despairing of ever having a "theocratic" outlet. However, as I write this, it dawns on me that perhaps the delayed apocalypse DID have an unconscious bearing on my decision to leave. It's all very long-ago now, but I'm sure that realizing Armageddon might be many, many years away added to that feeling of unhelpable despair.

    Well, whatever. BTW, www.freeminds.org has more stories like these if you want to go look at them.

    Peace, y'all.

    Bill, who eventually did get some sheepskins

    "If we all loved one another as much as we say we love God, I reckon there wouldn't be as much meanness in the world as there is."--from the movie Resurrection (1979)

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    This subject was discussed a little while ago here and since it's late and I'm ready to drop, I'm going the lazyman route and copying my answer in that thread, here:

    I too remember the hype brought on by brothers' talks and suggestions in the articles and books and the results like:

    -ones saying to householders in service that this may be the last time I will be here to speak to you before the coming end

    -ones who felt guilty trying to sell long-term life insurance or not seeing the need to buy it

    -having co's in their talks, mark off the days and months on the calendars showing how much time was left to 1975

    -I personally worried about having a small child at that time and not wanting another one before 1975 for fear of "woe to the pregnant woman and those nursing a baby in the tribulation" warning

    -seeing those who sold their houses to full-time preach before the end

    -hearing other JWs say if they bought a house now, they would never have to pay it off.

    For everyone who never experienced that time in the org. before 1975, just try to imagine what it would be like to grow up truly believing that you would never grow old....and what a shock to the system it is now to be pushing 50 and have grandchildren.

    I could go on and on..

    What makes me mad at myself is, I fell into the WTS's trap getting us to blame ourselves for "running ahead of the org because they never said 1975 would bring Armageddon". I try to find the humour in all of it, but I know I would have done things so differently if I hadn't believed in that foolishness.

    And I know there are many out there who blame Ray Franz for the misleading info and so have pushed all the hype and excitement out of their minds. They have no clue.

    Had Enough

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello everyone,

    old subject but always very sensitive one
    for many of us. I do agree that the most damaging thing was
    the WTS " blaming " as usual ...some plus all the grammatical,
    illogical explanation...all to avoid stating clearly that
    - THEY MADE A HUGE, SERIOUS MISTAKE - clearly going much, much too
    far than the Scriptures !

    Agape J.C. MacHislopp

  • larc
    larc

    Not only did they not offer an apology, they blamed, the members for believing what they had been taught. In 1980, they wrote: "If anyone has been disappointed for following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived and brough disappointment, but that his thinking that was based on false premises." Watchtower, 15, 1980, p. 17. They blamed the members for believing the "false premis" that the Society, in fact, had given to them! They did the same thing following failed prophecy in 1925, by the way.

  • chester
    chester

    Hi all,

    I just started posting here about a week ago.

    Many of you may remember I started the thread "I ate meat on Friday." It was on May 14th if any one wants to go back that far.

    I notice that most everyone in this forum are young people.

    I am not so young. In fact I may be the oldest person on this board. Hear that larc? I have you beat.

    In the story I mentioned that my wife started studying with the witnesses after our son was killed and said that is another story of itself. It still is another story. I would just like to say the we were both in our twenties at the time. The age when many of you are getting out.

    I was an "unbelieving" husband for many years after that. That too is another story that could get quite long.

    I really am not ready to tell too much about myself because I know that there are staunch JWs out there who are reading this forum who may recognize me. At least I have good reason to suspect they are reading this forum. They are "shunning" me just because I have stopped attending the meetings. I am trying to stay alive a little longer. Do you hear that vsecret.

    I am replying to this thread because I would like to add that I know or have heard of brothers who have either quit their jobs or gotten out of their pension funds because of believing the end was coming in 1975.

    I know of brothers who are in their 70s and are still working because they got out of their pension fund back then.

    My wife was told that we would never see our children grow up in this system of things.
    We are great grandparents now. I never thought that I would be retiring in this system of things. I have retired. Not in the style I would have liked by the way.

    So yes, I have many stories to tell. One day I will tell them.

    I will reveal them after silent lambs reveals the secret he has.
    Do you hear that, Bill?

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