Systemic Racism: What’s Your View? Is it As Pervasive As Some Suggest?

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  • iXav
    iXav
    If someone supported Trump and had a Nazi symbol, does that suggest that Nazis and Trump were in bed together? If you say not necessarily, than what’s your point?? If a guy shoots a bunch of Republicans at a baseball game. I’m not going to suggest that the guy represents all Democrats.

    You can't control everything your supporters do but you can denounce it if it goes against your core beliefs.

  • Simon
    Simon
    Trump and his supporters have made things much worse than they used to be. Racists are emboldened and are more open in acts of racism (e.g., spraypainting swastikas, attacking Asians on the street, throwing around hateful slurs).

    Sod off with your BS fake news

    Nearly all the racist "nazi swastika" incidents that make the news later turn out to be done by black guys, same with the attacks on asians - those are predominantly being done by blacks but somehow "white supremacist bro".

    Sad that some are still suffering from their TDS

  • minimus
    minimus

    I really think some people believe everything they read. They just believe if the media reports it, it’s usually true.

  • Simon
    Simon

    They then repeat it

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard

    Trump had stopped Critical Race Theory in federal agencies, and no longer permitted the concept of "white privilege" to guide any training or contracts.

    "All agencies are directed to begin to identify all contracts or other agency spending related to any training on 'critical race theory,' 'white privilege,' or any other training or propaganda effort that teaches or suggests either (1) that the United States is an inherently racist or evil country or (2) that any race or ethnicity is inherently racist or evil."

    Biden has reversed this, of course. It intersects this thread in two spots: 1) As I mentioned CRT is real racism and to the extent that it is embedded in government, it is also real systemic racism, and 2) this policy was attempting to put a dent into the ideology that causes the racial division.

    All the while CNN was screaming about Chrolotteville, and insisting he deny the KKK for the millionth time, Trump was actually doing something to help.

  • joey jojo
    joey jojo

    For systemic racism to exist, by definition, doesn't that require laws in the country's constitution specifically targeting people of a given race, that may be detrimental to that race?

    If so, then I doubt there is systemic racism in the U.S.

    Bigots, prejudice, and racism exist in every country, but its hard to legislate against being a moron.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    Systemic racism is a circular faith-based argument. You MUST believe that you are a racist and atone for your racism or else you are a racist and should be shunned.

    That is the argument they’re making, everything and everyone is racist and should join their religion. They are literally shunning their family members and friends and coworkers that do not agree.

    They have a priest class of rich black wokesters that tell them everything they should do to grovel and pray. They have religious texts in the form of their anti-racist books and they have communion in the form of Twitter. They even have an end of times prophecy where the dates keep changing in the form of global cooling/warming that will destroy the earth.

    It’s a Kafkaëske argument or witch trial where you can only be found guilty of witchcraft or get killed proving your innocence. And everything they don’t like is fitted with the white supremacy label, because if you look hard enough you can find fault in everyone’s history.

    As some frequently say on here: it’s a cult.

  • hybridous
    hybridous

    Systemic racism is a circular faith-based argument. You MUST believe that you are a racist or else you are a racist and should be shunned.

    That is the argument they’re making, everything and everyone is racist and should be changed. They are literally shunning their family members and friends and coworkers that do not agree.

    They have a priest class of rich black wokesters that tell them everything they should do to grovel and pray. They have religious texts in the form of their anti-racist books and they have communion in the form of Twitter. They even have an end of times prophecy where the dates keep changing in the form of global cooling/warming that will destroy the earth.

    It’s a Kafkaëske argument or witch trial where you can only be found guilty of witchcraft or get killed proving your innocence. And everything they don’t like is fitted with the white supremacy label, because if you look hard enough you can find fault in everyone’s history.

    Yes. Good analysis. The whole POINT is to levy charges that are UN-FALSIFIABLE. It's like the burden of Original Sin. You're always guilty.

    Except with Original Sin, at least we're all equally guilty and there is (ostensibly) a redemption at the end...

    Accusations of Systemic Racism offer no such way out...

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000

    There is no systemic racism in the US.

    The concept is basically that if you pressed a button and magically all of the racists in the world disappeared, the system would continue to be racist only for its laws and policies.

    So which laws and policies are overtly racist? Nobody ever is able to point any out, so this term is just used because it's trendy but nobody can ever point anything that needs to be fixed.

    Now, decades ago we did have systemic racism. The laws openly prevented minorities to do a variety of things. No longer the case.

    Sometimes people shift the goal posts, to try to say that if the outcome is different, then it's systemic racism. But the concept is unrelated to outcome, because outcome is not really only dependent only on laws and policies.

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard
    There is no systemic racism in the US.
    The concept is basically that if you pressed a button and magically all of the racists in the world disappeared, the system would continue to be racist only for its laws and policies.

    I disagree on two counts. 1) Your definition of systemic racism is rational, and the CRT-types are not operating under a rational world view. Their definition is different than your definition. They argue from postmodern critical theory perspective, and use inequity as evidence. In other words, if you magically remove all racists, and magically remove all government too, then any inequity is evidence of the truth that life is just one big power struggle and if whites are doing better than blacks, the "systemic" racism still exists - even without a government. The system would just be the whiteness of the nation, or some such bull shirt. 2) Under your entirely rational definition, since the left is now injecting CRT (i.e. real racism - race essentialism) into politics, policy, and law, it's "systemic" under your definition.

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