Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

by pale.emperor 43 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  DesirousOfChange

  Public Relations deal with media, lawyers deals with legal matters, the GB deals with doctrine. ~ Doubter

  OK. I'll give you that.

  How do you explain G. Jackson blatantly lying at the ARC? How do you excuse G. Losch lying in sworn testimony?

  OH! I guess that Is the job of the GB?

  Shouldn't they have been "courageous" enough to stand up and tell the truth (that is, the real truth, the facts -- NOT The Troof™) and stood ground that their actions were the "high moral ground" instead of lying their way out of what could have been a "tough spot"?
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  sparky1

  "Watchtower does not have, and never has had, any authority over me."- Gerrit Losch

  "Losch was correct in refusing to appear on behalf of "Watchtower" ".- Doubter

  Actually, both statements are incorrect. Losch has been around the Jehovah's Witness religion for a long time. Prior to becoming "The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" all authority to direct District Overseers, Circuit Overseers, Special Pioneers and Bethelites flowed through the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Any instructions that he would have received from 'headquarters' would have been on a WATCHTOWER letterhead and rubber stamped Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. or Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc. If the courts could find early correspondence between the Watchtower headquarters and Gerrit Losch he would easily be proven a LIAR.
  
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  Finkelstein

  " Be courageous in preaching are false tainted Gospel ",

  Its really good for us ( $$$) and Jehovah wont mind, remember his son redeemed are sins anyways right
  
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  Drearyweather

  I think I disgree with sparky1. Please correct me if I am wrong.

  Any instructions that he would have received from 'headquarters' would have been on a WATCHTOWER letterhead and rubber stamped Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. or Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc.

  Watchtower never had or has any authority over any individual JW. Letters that are written to individual JW's are directions but cannot be used as evidence of authority. There are many posters on this forum who have received a letter from the congregation letterhead inviting them to a judicial committee. Are people obligated to attend the JC? Nope. Reason: WT doesn't have any authority over you.

  Any authority that exists is what a person gives to them. If Gerrit Losch wakes up like Ray Franz, he can just get up, pack his bags and leave Warwick without any obligation to attend any JC.

  Losch was a member of the Governing Body, which doesn't have legal existence, while the Watchtower Society, which has a legal existence, doesn't make policy decisions. And an individual JW is neither a member of the GB or the WT.

  Zalkin couldn't prove the relation between Losch and the WT, he couldn't prove that Losch received compensation or tangible benefits from the WT, neither could he prove that Watchtower had any legal authority to command Losch, or for that matter any authority. The appeals court categorically said that the lower court erred in this matter.

  All I could say that Losch came out of this legal bungle because Zalkin did not do his homework properly. No one could prove that Losch lied.

  You can say that Losch had a moral responsibility. But then, what place does morality have in the law? None.

  Paul invoked his Roman citizenship to escape scourging. Jesus refused to answer when he was brought before Herod. The apostles defied the Sanhedrin's order. Losch is simply following the example of his anointed colleagues.
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  sparky1

  "Any authority that exists is what a person gives to them." - Drearyweather

  You are correct. Therefore, when Gerrit Losch accepted any appointments within the "Organization" he automatically gave them authority over him. Each of his assignments that he would accept from the "Organization" came on WATCHTOWER stationary. Period. If he were to defy his orders from WATCHTOWER he would lose his position and everything that went along with it. His monthly stipend (wages) his automobile (benefit) and his health insurance(benefit) provided by the WATCHTOWER organization, not the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. If he decided to leave the Jehovah's Witness religion, that would only prove that he no longer accepts the authority structure of the religion but not that he did not accept that structure in the past. Gerrit Losch has been a Witness for a long time. He was appointed a Circuit Servant in 1963 and attended the 41st class of Gilead in 1965. At the 59th Gilead graduation class, F. W. Franz gave a speech. In that speech he states, 'The Society has the right and authority to send out missionaries.' Gerrit Losch was active in his positions as a Jehovah's Witness pre-Governing Body and pre-Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. Therefore, any position that he accepted came under the authority and direction of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society as the legal arm directing the work of Jehovah's Witness. I hope this helps.
  
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  Drearyweather

  Therefore, when Gerrit Losch accepted any appointments within the "Organization" he automatically gave them authority over him. Each of his assignments that he would accept from the "Organization" came on WATCHTOWER stationary. Period.

  I can understand what you are implying. You can literally write pages upon pages about the authority of the Watchtower. However, for a true believing JW, that authority comes from Jehovah and not from Watchtower. It's always, Jehovah gave me the truth, Jehovah appointed him as an elder, Jehovah this, Jehovah that. While door-door, no JW tells that the Watchtower society has sent them, neither does the reference to Watchtower is made in the Bible Teach book. It is always "from Jehovah". It is "Jehovah's Witnesses" and not "Watchtower's Witnesses".

  Interestingly, it is when you start to wake up is when you realize that all of this was from a man-made organization- Watchtower. Jehovah doesn't exist. Ironically, that is also the time you realize that Watchtower actually doesn't have any authority on you- legally or spiritually. It never had.

  Interestingly, Zalkin proved (on basis of Allen Shuster's statements) that the Governing Body has authority over the Watchtower, but could't prove the reverse. In effect, even if the Watchtower asked Losch to appear in the court, he had the right to reject it.

  His monthly stipend (wages) his automobile (benefit) and his health insurance(benefit) provided by the WATCHTOWER organization, not the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  When a JW applies for Bethel, he becomes a member of the "Worldwide Order of Special Fulltime Servants of Jehovah's Witnesses". In the Bethel application form, the JW consents that he agrees to transfer his data to the Governing Body of JW's. Legally no Bethelite is an employee of the Watchtower society, except for the Board members. Following are the actual words from the application form:

  " I will be content and satisfied with the modest support that I receive from the Order. ..I authorize the transfer to the Governing Body of the information found on this application and any additional personal information that the Governing Body deems necessary regarding my capacity to serve as a member of the Order."
  

  At the 59th Gilead graduation class, F. W. Franz gave a speech. In that speech he states, 'The Society has the right and authority to send out missionaries.'

  Yes, he said it because the society was operating the Gilead School which was officially recognized in 1953 by the US department of Education. So, as any other organization, it has authority to conduct training for missionaries and offer diplomas. The diploma states that the missionary would serve as the representative of the Ecclesiastical Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  If Losch lied, why did Zalkin did not contest it? and why did the courts not investigate further?
  
  
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  Vidiot

  This is very telling.

  At least Freddy Franz and Haydon Covington had the balls to own up to the more offensive aspects of WT beliefs when they were questioned during the Walsh Trial.

  Hmm.

  Maybe that's one of the reasons the current guys are so reticent.
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  Confusedandangry

  http://dismythed.blogspot.com/2014/11/flipside-news-governing-body-member.html?m=1

  That is a link that a JW wrote excusing Losch's actions, words. If you have the stomach for it. The comments are even worse.
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  Beth Sarim

  ''Be Courageous'', like the Governing Body. When someone like Trey Bundy is trying to interview Tony Morris on child sexual abuse and he scurries away.

  Or Gerrit Loesch denying he has responsibility with the Watchtower.
  
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  sparky1

  "The purposes of this Society are: To act as the servant of and legal world-wide governing agency for that body of Christian persons known as Jehovah's Witnesses;.......to authorize and appoint agents, servants, employees, teachers, instructors, evangelists, missionaries and ministers to go forth to all the world ........" - Taken from the Charter of The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc as quoted in the Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses for 1969 pages 49 and 50.

  I repeat: Gerrit Losch is a LIAR when he says that 'Watchtower never has had any authority over me.' His appointment as Circuit Servant and Missionary came BEFORE the establishment of the Governing Body and the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. He was AUTHORISED to be a Circuit Servant and a Missionary by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and in that position he reported to that governing agency. The charter itself even makes the claim that the Watchtower Society is the governing agency for Jehovah's Witnesses. Spin it as you like Drearyweather but Gerrit Losch is a LIAR. He did not appoint himself as a Circuit Servant or Missionary. The authority that granted him those positions was the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Period.