Disfellowship-arrangement of JWs is not from God, but from uninspired writers.

by Abraham1 10 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Abraham1

  1) Jesus set the absolute standard on how to deal with the disagreeable or even with those becoming inimical in matthew/5/43-48. There he said: ‘Don’t behave like pagans who love/greet only those loving/greeting them. But be like our Heavenly Father who loves everyone without differentiating whether one is friendly or inimical towards Him.’ This is His eternal standard. (Deuteronomy 10:17; Malachi 3:6; Romans 2:11)

  2) Apostle Paul repeated this in his letter to the Thessalonians: “We urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone. Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else.” (1 Thessalonians 5:14, 15) (emphasis added)

  All those verses contradictory to the above precept, found in the Bible, are later adoptions, as warned by Jesus and Paul. (Mathew 13:24-30; Acts 20:28-30) Such contradictory verses are to be treated like verses such as 1 John 5:7; Mark 16:9-20; John 8:2-11 (My Favorite Passage that’s Not in the Bible)

  That means JWs were not careful to read God’s word and thus failed to locate anti-Christ and anti-God and anti-Paul verses in the Bible. For example, verses such as Romans 7:19 is not from Paul because he was “a holy, righteous and blameless” man (1-thessalonians/2/4-10), and on this basis he is instructing Thessalonians to be like him in becoming “blameless.” (1-thessalonians/5/19-23) 1 Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5 are dedicated for instructions, yet you will note continuity is lost after 1 Thessalonians 4:12 and continuity is resumed after 1 Thessalonians 5:11. In between are unrelated subjects contrary to what Jesus had taught. For example,

  1 Thessalonians 4:17 is against what Jesus taught in Mathew 19:28-30

  1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 is against what Jesus taught in Luke 21:25-32

  Ignoring this fact, JWs made the mistake of publishing the book “True Peace and Security - How Can You Find It?” in 1986 following the UN proclamation of 1986 as “The International Year of Peace.” They thought end of the world is “imminent.”

  
  
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  FFGhost

  I always get a kick out of posts like this.

  "No, no, no, that group of guys has interpreted the ramblings of iron age goatherds and shamans all wrong. I, however, an able to interpret those goatherder ramblings absolutely correctly. Everyone reading this should accept my goatherder-rambling-interpretation, and not their goatherder-rambling-interpretation."
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  Abraham1

  FFGhost,

  JWs don't realize that speaking against the "abomination that causes desolation" they themselves became the same flouting beneficial precepts of God. (https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6251536349921280/isnt-jws-teaching-abomination-that-causes-desolation-wrong)

  
  

  The Greek word translated as “disruptive” in 1 Thessalonians 5:14 is ἄτακτος (ataktos). It is a fitting description of what JWs consider to be worthy of disfellowship because it means:

  "1. disorderly, out of ranks (often so of soldiers)

  2. irregular, inordinate, immoderate pleasures

  3. deviating from the prescribed order or rule

  Used in Greek society of those who did not show up for work."

  (Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/strongs/G813)

  
  
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  punkofnice

  Awake! January 8th 1947, disfellowshipping has pagan origins:

  Where, then, did this practice originate? The Encyclopaedia Britannica says that papal excommunication is not without pagan influence, "and its variations cannot be adequately explained unless account be taken of several non-Christian analogues of excommunication." The superstitious Greeks believed that when an excommunicated person died the Devil entered the body, and therefore, "in order to prevent it, the relatives of the deceased cut his body in pieces and boil them in wine." Even the Druids had a method of expelling those who lost faith in their religious superstitions. It was therefore after Catholicism adopted its pagan practices, A.D. 325, that this new chapter in religious excommunication was written.
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  Abraham1

  Punkofnice,

  Excellent inputs. What a pathetic situation JWs themselves find in!
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  Abraham1

  "The history of the practice of excommunication may be traced through (1) pagan analogues, (2) Hebrew custom, (3) primitive Christian practice, (4) medieval and monastic usage, (5) modern survivals in existing Christian churches." (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Excommunication)

  
  

  Disfellowshipping involves rejection of what Jesus taught in Mathew 5:43-48, and Jesus was "taught by God." (John 8:28) Thus it involves denial of God too.

  
  
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  Simon

  Psst. The Bible is not from god either, but is also from uninspired writers.
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  Abraham1

  Simon,

  I agree with you 99%.

  Bulk of the Bible is not from inspired writers. For example, verses about all God-sponsored wars, sacrifices. Verses implying God is partial to one nation or some of His children, God destroys/burns many of His children in Hell, verses about Satan are all from uninspired writers. (matthew/5/43-48; matthew/9/13; mark/7/21-23)

  Verses against Churches (Matthew 7:21–23), verses that defines true worship (MAT.25.31-40; james/1/27) and true worshippers (psalms/73-1; MAT.5.9), verses defining “pagans” as those “greeting those greeting themselves and shunning those not who are their former associates ” (matthew/5/43-48) and all accounts that shows God tested His children (James 1:13) are all from inspired writers because they are against the established religions and are also impartial.

  This explains why we find many verses about too insignificant subject such as purification procedures for menstruating woman and just too limited verses about much important subject of creation of man.

  Churches made the mistake of trying to reconciling the contradictory verses—it is like trying to reconcile two concepts such as Download or Upload—it is either Download or Upload.

  
  
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  Simon

  Imagining that most of the bible isn't inspired but a tiny sliver is has to be the most bat-shit crazy view of the bible I've ever come across.

  How can anyone believe such utter gibberish.

  BTW: you're still vomiting bible references like you believe it's convincing. I mean, it's convincing me that you shouldn't be allowed to post ...
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  MeanMrMustard

  Churches made the mistake of trying to reconciling the contradictory verses—it is like trying to reconcile two concepts such as Download or Upload—it is either Download or Upload

  There is a third option. Perhaps, just perhaps, none of it is inspired.