Observations: If man is merely a machine and the universe is merely a mechanism .

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  • Believer
    Believer

    Observations: If man is merely a machine and the universe is merely a mechanism ...

    If men were only machines, they would react more or less uniformly to a material universe. Individuality, much less personality, would be nonexistent.

    Materialism reduces man to a soulless automaton and constitutes him merely an arithmetical symbol finding a helpless place in the mathematical formula of an unromantic and mechanistic universe. But whence comes all this vast universe of mathematics without a Master Mathematician?

    If the universe were merely a mechanism and mind were unapart from matter, we would never have two differing interpretations of any observed phenomenon. The concepts of truth, beauty, and goodness are not inherent in either physics or chemistry. A machine cannot know, much less know truth, hunger for righteousness, and cherish goodness.

    If man is only a machine, by what technique does this man come to believe or claim to know that he is only a machine? The experience of self-conscious evaluation of one’s self is never an attribute of a mere machine. A self-conscious and avowed mechanist is the best possible answer to mechanism. If materialism were a fact, there could be no self-conscious mechanist.

    If the universe were truly what the materialist regards it to be, man as a human machine would then be devoid of all conscious recognition of that very fact. Without the consciousness of the concept of values within the spirit-born mind, the fact of universe materialism and the mechanistic phenomena of universe operation would be wholly unrecognized by man. One machine cannot be conscious of the nature or value of another machine.

    If the universe were only material and man only a machine, there would be no science to embolden the scientist to postulate this mechanization of the universe. Machines cannot measure, classify, nor evaluate themselves. Such a scientific piece of work could be executed only by some entity of supermachine status.

    If this were only a material universe, material man would never be able to arrive at the concept of the mechanistic character of such an exclusively material existence. This very mechanistic concept of the universe is in itself a nonmaterial phenomenon of mind, and all mind is of nonmaterial origin, no matter how thoroughly it may appear to be materially conditioned and mechanistically controlled.

    If this were merely a material universe and man only a machine, such a man would be wholly unable to recognize himself as such a machine, and likewise would such a machine-man be wholly unconscious of the fact of the existence of such a material universe. The materialistic dismay and despair of a mechanistic science has failed to recognize the fact of the spirit-indwelt mind of the scientist whose very supermaterial insight formulates these mistaken and self-contradictory concepts of a materialistic universe.

    The very claim of materialism implies a supermaterial consciousness of the mind which presumes to assert such dogmas. A mechanism might deteriorate, but it could never progress. Machines do not think, create, dream, aspire, idealize, hunger for truth, or thirst for righteousness. They do not motivate their lives with the passion to serve other machines and to choose as their goal of eternal progression the sublime task of finding God and striving to be like him. Machines are never intellectual, emotional, aesthetic, ethical, moral, or spiritual.

    How foolish to presume that an automaton could conceive a philosophy of automatism, and how ridiculous that it should presume to form such a concept of other and fellow automatons!

    The partially evolved mental mechanism of mortal man is not overendowed with consistency and wisdom. Man’s conceit often outruns his reason and eludes his logic.

    Taken from Materialism and The Vulneribility of Materialism.


  • never a jw
    never a jw

    If there is a master creator, I just pray to God that he is not like the SOB in the Bible. What's his name... Jehovah?

    Regarding machines, there is simple "soulless" machines and there are extremely complicated machines that are so sophisticated that even come with a soul. It's just a matter of semantics.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    All throughout human history there never has been any viably proven existence of spiritualism other than hearsay, drawn out of ignorance of the world in which we live.

    That includes pretentious lying to stir up imaginative human emotions.

    There is no logical reason to think there is a outside spiritual supernatural being that cares or wants to help the enduring plight of humanity.

    So far it's been mankind's own intentional endeavors that have helped and improved the living human experience, until a time comes that a spiritual deity does if ever.

    We are left with are selves to discover what we can do to help one another and all humanity in this psychical " Materiel " world of reality.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Marking for later...

    Actually having read the OP I'm unmarking. Answered this sort of facile stuff so many times already it's tedious.

  • Believer
    Believer
    Regarding machines, there is simple "soulless" machines and there are extremely complicated machines that are so sophisticated that even come with a soul. It's just a matter of semantics.

    If there ever will be such a computer, it won’t spontaneously create itself. It will be the product of a super intelligent computer programmer.

  • Believer
    Believer
    All throughout human history there never has been any viably proven existence of spiritualism other than hearsay, drawn out of ignorance of the world in which we live.

    The observations are simply addressing the unreasonableness of excluding spiritualism.

  • bohm
    bohm

    How do you know a machine cannot do those things?

  • Believer
    Believer
    Actually having read the OP I'm unmarking. Answered this sort of facile stuff so many times already it's tedious

    But of course!

  • Giles Gray
    Giles Gray
    The partially evolved mental mechanism of mortal man is not overendowed with consistency and wisdom. Man’s conceit often outruns his reason and eludes his logic

    Hence religion.

    Oh the irony...

  • Believer
    Believer
    How do you know a machine cannot do those things?

    Well, you can prove the concept wrong by identifying a machine that can do all those things. And make sure it’s a computer that spontaneously created itself. Otherwise such a computer would add to the argument that there has to be an intelligent Creator.

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