1919 What???

by NikL 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • NikL
    NikL

    I had seen it before but never actually looked.

    Sure enough in July 15 2013 WT ...

    17 In the past, we have stated in our publications that these last four references apply to Jesus’ arriving, or coming, in 1918. As an example, take Jesus’ statement about “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Read Matthew 24:45-47.) We understood that the “arriving” mentioned in verse 46 was linked to the time when Jesus came to inspect the spiritual condition of the anointed in 1918 and that the appointment of the slave over all the Master’s belongings occurred in 1919. (Mal. 3:1) However, a further consideration of Jesus’ prophecy indicates that an adjustment in our understanding of the timing of certain aspects of Jesus’ prophecy is needed. Why so?

    18. A consideration of Jesus’ prophecy in its entirety leads us to what conclusion about Jesus’ coming?

    18 In the verses that lead up to Matthew 24:46, the word “coming” refers consistently to the time when Jesus comes to pronounce and execute judgment during the great tribulation. (Matt. 24:30, 42, 44) Also, as we considered in paragraph 12, Jesus’ ‘arriving’ mentioned at Matthew 25:31 refers to that same future time of judgment. So it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings, mentioned at Matthew 24:46, 47, also applies to his future coming, during the great tribulation.* Indeed, a consideration of Jesus’ prophecy in its entirety makes it clear that each of these eight references to his coming applies to the future time of judgment during the great tribulation.

    19. What adjustments in understanding did we consider, and what questions will be answered in the following articles?

    19 In review, what have we learned? In the beginning of this article, we raised three “when” questions. We first considered that the great tribulation did not begin in 1914 but will start when the United Nations attacks Babylon the Great. Then, we reviewed why Jesus’ judgment of the sheep and the goats did not begin in 1914 but will occur during the great tribulation. Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation. So, then, all three “whens” apply to the same future time period—the great tribulation.

    In a recent book study we considered in the "Gods Kingdom Rules" book...

    7 Shortly after he was installed as King, Jesus took steps to prepare his followers for the vast work to be done. As we saw in Chapter 2, he did an inspection and a cleansing work from 1914 to early 1919. (Mal. 3:1-4) Then, in 1919, he appointed the faithful slave to take the lead among his followers. (Matt. 24:45) Especially from that time onward, that slave began dispensing spiritual food—by means of convention discourses and printed publications—that repeatedly emphasized the responsibility of all Christians to have a personal share in preaching.

    Wow.

    So the slave was appointed in 1919...then it wasn't...then it was.

    Seems more like a strobe light than a light getting brighter.

  • steve2
    steve2

    This must disturb thinking JWs - but I honestly doubt that your rank and file Witnesses would even know enough from their own publications over the flip-flopping to be disturbed. It reminds me of the "adjustments" in thinking regarding whether "the evil slave class" is a literal group or class or just a statement about what could happen. Apparently, the most recent "light" states the evil slave is not a literal class - so all current references to this Scripture scrupulously avoid using that old Rutherfordian nomenclature "The evil slave class".

    Yet...if you talk to older Witnesses, they blissfully continue to refer to the evil slave class as a literal group when discussing apostates - especially those who once claimed to be of the anointed.

    I do wonder why the GB bothers to "adjust" the thinking of drones who don't care or think enough about what is in the publications. That happens when you're half asleep and/or battle weary.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Greetings, NikL:

    There are two sides to me; it seems inescapable.

    The side that comes on automatically, when with Witnesses, is my long-ingrained JW-speak. I was taught at an early age by the anointed themselves, my mom having studied briefly with an anointed sister -- Lillian Groebel -- when I was little. Then came the anointed to our door when I was a teenager. I was attentive and receptive.

    As a result, at the drop of a hat, I can go into full "old light" mode and, perhaps, convince a relative newcomer to the faith that this old-school JW has the truth, but an older version of it!

    Sometimes, I feel like Janus . . .

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Its seems now the WTS is trying to nullify the supposed significance of that date of what J Rutherford self proclaimed himself in 1919. You know that drunk adulterer who drove around in Cadillacs and lived in a palatial mansion with his mistress, waiting for the ancient worthies to return.

    The WTS is trying now as it has in many times to get rid of old irrelevant problematic doctrines as an intent to validate their self proposed image of being god's chosen ones (True worshipers) here on earth.

    I'm still holding to the suggestion that in the future they will wash away 1914 as well.

  • NikL
    NikL

    @steve2

    Apparently, the most recent "light" states the evil slave is not a literal class - so all current references to this Scripture scrupulously avoid using that old Rutherfordian nomenclature "The evil slave class".

    Something that seems to escape them too...if the evil slave is not a literal class...it stands to reason the faithful slave is not either.

    @ compound complex

    I think they call it keeping up with Jehovah's chariot.

  • darkspilver
    darkspilver

    July 15 2013 WT ...

    Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation.

    "Gods Kingdom Rules" book...

    Then, in 1919, he appointed the faithful slave to take the lead among his followers

    So Jesus appointed in 1919 over his followers, those who want and are willing to accept his leadership

    Jesus not then appointed over EVERYTHING (ie subdued nations?), until the GT.

    I don't believe that is a change in the WT doctrine?

  • Londo111
    Londo111

    The new light on the "slave" a few years ago was that Jesus did not yet appoint the slave "over all his belongings" yet, but when they get to heaven to join the 144000. However, they still maintain in 1919 that Jesus appointed the slave to serve food at the proper time.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    I think Jesus picked Rutherford in 1919 exclusively because he too liked Cadillacs, he also liked his Diggs in San Diego and he thought his mistress was pretty hot as well.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Something that seems to escape them too...if the evil slave is not a literal class...it stands to reason the faithful slave is not either.

    Yes NikL, that was the inescapable conclusion I too reached.

    I recall many years ago struggling with the words ascribed to Jesus at Matthew chapter 24 and thinking that the 'faithful and discreet slave' was nothing more than a parable. Funny that a parable has been turned into the basis upon which a group of self-appointed men grab hold of religious authority over other humans.

  • FatFreek 2005
    FatFreek 2005

    Ya'll just busted my bubble!

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