Play the game, Make copies of anything the cult has in files that shows what the cult is doing to cover up child abuse or anything else that shows the cult as evil. Use your position. I would then keep an eye out for others who have questions and get several points that you can bring up and tell them to those who are questioning. Don't waste your situation just to quit. Especially if you can not quit right now. Send anything child abuse to Mark O'Donnell. He is the real deal and you can trust him to keep your name out of it.
PIMO elder
by Reservations 51 Replies latest jw friends
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mickbobcat
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Ding
How you go about it may differ depending on specifics.
What specifically do you want them to see that they don't see now?
Is it differences between WT doctrine and the Bible?
WT doctrinal flip flops?
WT false prophecies?
WT covering up of pedophilia?
Other?
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Biahi
Long live, sounds like Nazi Germany. 😧
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Longlivetherenegades
@ Biahi
It will sound like Nazi Germany considering the new message from Mr David about words from APOSTATES being POISONOUS that must be rejected without tasting. The PIMO elder should watch his back. Their alertness have been raised again towards APOSTATES/ non conformist who undermine the power of the GB
The interesting thing here is recent medicinal practice is adopting use of POISONS as MEDICINES.
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Mum
Point out that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. But the Watchtower is not.
I left in 1979. It's not the same religion today that it was when I left,
Ask if the publisher is a better person today than before they became Jw.
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Beth Sarim
Good points all. Especially by Mum.
Reservations, point out to any on a possible witch hunt, that, God can't lie. But an organization can.
eg, like about getting caught lying in their magazines and getting caught being an NGO member of the UN for 9 years and then rescinding their membership within days of being found out.
Or, the poor members in Malawi who were brutalized and murdered for refusing a political card in a single political party environment while the same time the brothers in Mexico were encouraged by the Borg to bribe officials to claim they performed military service to obtain government documents.
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Beth Sarim
God cannot lie.
This is the concept which keeps JWs minds in bondage to the Borg. To interchange the Borg with God. An organization which 'claims' to speak for God.
When you strip away the JW rose-coloured glasses and realize the Borg is no different than any other organization with their contradicting statements, it liberates your mind.
Lloyd very recently uploaded a video which he highlighted speakers saying two different things. And when you realize that it is only people making it up as you go along, the Borg cannot or never has been led by Divine backing.
God cannot lie. But an organization which "claims" to speak for God can. Two different things here.
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hybridous
Great thread, all. I found this to be quite poignant...
I always see THOSE wanting to leaving the ORGANIZATION as being on a LONG QUEUE. You are on the QUEUE when it gets to your turn, you will either drop the resignation letter, fade, disfellowshipped or disassociate.
You enter the queue by deciding not to fight to maintain your status a JW in good standing, because you realize that it's not worth the effort. Or perhaps you're incapable of the indefinite...possibly infinite(?) effort required. Sometimes this calculus happens internally, and the person isn't even conscious of it.
To our PIMO Elder, if you can't leave, but for now must maintain...instead of trying to 'wake people up'...know what might be better, and actually achievable?
Just try to be that one great-guy Elder that despondent JWs need.
The guy who doesn't press Organizational hard-lines.
The guy who is just a kind, listening ear. Giving comfort when JWs feel like they can't give enough...(they can't!).
The guy who's not out looking for everything else that everyONE else is doing wrong.
The guy who sides with mercy when on a JC.
The guy who can make Organizational life a little more bearable. Surely, you can see the value in that...You are striving to strike a very delicate balance. I wish you well...
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Diogenesister
Having never been an elder all I can do is commiserate and wish you all the very best. Sometimes it's just not possible to leave. But one thing I do know is this; if and when you do, you will never regret taking the following action :
Hybridous. The guy who's not out looking for everything else that everyONE else is doing wrong.
Just try to be that one great-guy Elder that despondent JWs need.
The guy who doesn't press Organizational hard-lines.
The guy who is just a kind, listening ear. Giving comfort when JWs feel like they can't give enough...(they can't!).
The guy who sides with mercy when on a JC.
The guy who can make Organizational life a little more bearable. Surely, you can see the value in that...
You are striving to strike a very delicate balance. I wish you well...
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Ajax
Reservations-
I was an elder for a few years - long enough to get a glimpse of what a scam the WT Society runs and long enough to see zero evidence of a divine being, his plan, or anything remotely resembling love ,compassion or justice behind the curtain of secret information that separates the sheep from their shepherds.
I left cold turkey (never to return) and '..in good standing.'. Nothing happened as I had done nothing wrong.
If I could do it all again (the exiting part) I would do so by a document like this:
On this day _______-____ 2021, I_____________ have exercised my legal right to Freedom of/from Religion as a basic Human Right guaranteed to all citizens by our countries' Constitution.
Henceforth, I repudiate all forms of "ecclesiastic authority" being administered to my now personal and private life.
Announcement of my name and religious status within congregations of which I am not a member, will result in litigation for Human Rights violation.
Witness______________ ______-___ 2021
As former elders (who realize the extent to which sentient individuals and entire families are damaged by this cults predation upon a mentally captive flock) - we should now champion the documented exercise of Human Rights as a legally defensible way to pre-empt further abuses of those who chose to leave.
It's simple, costs nothing and the effect (freedom) is immediate as at signing.
Interference with cherished Constitutional rights could lead local elders immediately liable to litigation, possibly to massive class actions if the interference is promoted by WT headquarters.
There a many more than just JWs who suffer as captives of ideology and don't understand that a solution exists
I'd appreciate your comments.