Debating challenge: since The wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be THE generation, overlapping or not?
let it be resolved: The remnant can not be the generation of Mat. 24.
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Lieu
Er, because "they" aren't "them". If they die before seeing "all these things occur", then they aren't part of 'what' they think they are. There's that nagging prerequisite of being alive from start to finish.
It's quite simple actually. Don't need anyone to inject upon or further translate anything Jesus said cause he was talking to fishermen, housewives, and regular everyday ancient people, not 21st century nuclear physicists.
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Lieu
What I find interesting is this.
At one time you couldn't own a copy of the Bible. That way RCC priests could tell you anything and you couldn't question it.
Now that anyone can own a Bible, you are told as a JW you can't understand it without a group of men interpreting it for you .... and you can't question them.
Even when the group of men keep opining that the Bible doesn't really mean what it says unless they think it means what it says whenever it says something ... and sometimes only part of what's being said.
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smiddy
Lieu ,
And that`s why their are more than 40,000 Christian sects , all claiming to be the" Truth"
smiddy
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prologos
Great comments, but the crux of the matter, do Jesus ' words really define the anointed remnant generation as wt writers are so adamant about?
Lieu: " if they die before seeing "all these things occur", --according to wt doctrine they will definitely die, called to heaven, before all these things occur. or, can you be raptured without dieing?
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prologos
Lieu, The premise of the debate is independent of the 2 group generation idea, but your's is a great observation:
There's that nagging prerequisite of being alive from start to finish.
Jesus' words clearly imply that the same individuals would experience all the features of the calamity he was talking about.
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Vidqun
Bobcat, here's a very interesting Dictionary definition of Greek genea (= generation) for you. It makes sense because the verb "generate" is derived from the Latin genero, generatum, to beget (Webster). [Greek γεννάω: to beget.] Wonder how the Witnesses will explain this?
11.4 γενεάa, ᾶς feminine: people living at the same time and belonging to the same reproductive age-class—‘those of the same time, those of the same generation.’ ἐκζητηθήσεται ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς ταύτης ‘the people of this generation will be punished’ Lk 11:51.
The expression ‘the people of this generation’ may also be expressed as ‘the people living now’ or ‘the people of this time.’ Successive generations may be spoken of as ‘groups of people who live one after the other’ or ‘successions of parents and children.
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 119). New York: United Bible Societies.
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prologos
Bobcat, where is the proof in that text, that the presently living "anointed partakers" can be the wt generation? that Jesus was talking about, when he said that they will survive the end? -