Are the witnesses really False prophets? (page 2)

dontfitin

If the WT had the humility to say, "This is the conclusion we reached, based on this scripture, and this one, and this one." and then when they were wrong to say, "Sorry, I guess we had that wrong!" I would have zero problem with it.

Instead they say, "Jehovah revealed to his servants...." They say, "Jehovah's direction is.." They say, "Jehovah wants us to...." They say, "Jehovah's arrangements..." By doing so they are presuming to speak directly for Jehovah, They claim they are not, but all you have to do is look at the wording.

Claiming to be guided by holy spirit and by the scriptures (the same as all of us are or can be) is fine. Claiming "Jehovah revealed this" is not. When you speak for Jehovah, you don't get to be wrong. It's as simple as that.

Their arrogance has lead them into a very bad position.

Half banana

Outlaw, just wonderin', have you any idea what "braaak" might mean?

@ Londo, that's an astonishing and foolish statement from the WT, May 1 2014, not recognising its own total failure in the same area. It is the pot calling the kettle black.

Do they actually realize they are in the same boat but must put on a macho show of superiority for the sake of partizan loyalty? Is end time prediction now a hopeless failure and cynically reduced to merely a game?

sparrowdown

What do you think MR T, are they false prophets?

stuckinarut2

As soon as they set themselves up in the position of absolute authority, it is irrelevant as to whether their words are "accurate" or if they are "true prophets" or "spirit directed"...

The point is, they have instituted a system that makes them absolute, and the final word in control....

The accuracy of statements then becomes a secondary or irrelavant issue....

MrTheocratic

Sparrowdown........

No I do not. It just amazes me that many Jdubs put complete trust in every word they read from this organization..and then proceed to make life altering decisions based off these "published ideas".

If we are all wrong and this organization was and is God's mouthpiece. ..then God would need to apologize for the lives ruined due to heeding the advice of his organization.

Finkelstein

Answer------- Jehovah’s Witnesses do not claim to be inspired prophets. They have made mistakes. Like the apostles of Jesus Christ, they have at times had some wrong expectations.—Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6.

An outright prodigious lie for they have said in the WT and AW. that they are faithfully inspired prophets of bible truths.

Proclaiming that Jesus has taken his heavenly throne and chosen the WTS. as his FDSL starting back in 1874 and again in 1914 and then saying than mankind is living in the last days all throughout the 20th century, is more than making wrong expectations.

A direct intent to white wash over their mischievous false doctrines, which were mostly devised to attract attention to the literature the WTS. published.

In reality to sustain the organization this is all they can do at this point in time but to make up calculating lies to cover over the previous lies and deceptions.

Corruption and bullshitting is synonymous with religious charlatanism.

Sadly, many times these people get off Scot free taking people's money and creating anguish of being conned and manipulated.

James Mixon

The oldest con game in the world, the end of the world crap.

Noah: "it will rain soon". It made Noah a celebrated man it didn't matter if the flood only occurred

in his neighborhood.

Magnum

Totally bogus argument in Reasoning book. There is a huge difference between the situation involving the apostles and that involving JWs. The "wrong expectations" of the apostles were not official teachings of an organization. The apostles were just privately wondering about something; they didn't go around officially proclaiming it.

The org made official predictions. These predictions were part of the org's official theology and teachings; they weren't just private questionings like those of the apostles. The predictions turned out to be completely wrong, and they caused many people to waste virtually their entire lives.

kaik

Yes, they are announcers of the false prophecies released by the WT. I remember when this print went out, and my mom still has it in her possession:

Island Man

Are the [JW leadership / organization] really false prophets?

No. They're just an organization that claim to be spirit-directed; claim that God directs his people through them; and regularly refer to their own extra-biblical policies and instructions as being Jehovah's instructions and direction. (compare Deuteronomy 18:20a) They also equate leaving the org. with leaving Jehovah and they claim to be Jehovah's channel. They have also made several date predictions for the end of the world and predicted in the Awake magazine mission statement, for many years, that the generation that saw the events of 1914 will not pass away before the new world - this prediction they referred to as "the Creator's promise". But that was not tantamount to making a prediction in God's name, no, no, no. (compare Deuteronomy 18:22; Luke 21:8)

Obviously, all that I've said above does not match in any way, shape or fashion the definition and functions of one who acts as a prophet of God. Because quite unlike what I've described above, a prophet of God is one who is directed by God's spirit and is used by God to direct his people. Such a person will issue directions to the people while referring to such directions as coming from God. Often, prophets would also make predictions of future events, referring to such predictions as coming from the Creator, Jehovah. See, this is very , very, very different from the role of the JW organization mentioned above. lol.

And just because the founder of the organization, C.T. Russel published a volume of Studies in the Scriptures, filled with false apocalyptic date predictions, entitled: "The Time is at Hand!", that in no way, shape or fashion means that Jesus' warning at Luke 21:8 applies to him and his organization:

"And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and, ‘The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them." - Luke 21:8

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