Bobby,
The goal of Reclaimed Voices is not to bring down Watchtower. The goal is to push Watchtower to make changes and improve their child abuse handling policies.
Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen 25 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
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Bobby2446
Yeah, sure. Then why did their lawyer suggest they hand over child abuse files? Obviously, to solicit victims and encourage them to sue in an attempt to drain them financially. This isn’t rocket science.
This has never been and will never be about protecting children of Jehovahs Witnesses.
If it were, RV would go after the parents of abused children and demand answers as to why they failed their children.
But WT has the deeper pockets, and retribution is in order.
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Bobby2446
Strong arming them won’t work. Some tried it with the ARC, and the ARC was told (1) we will never abandon the Bible standard of evidence, the so called “two witness rule, (2) women will not be elders, and (3) and shunning or freedom of association is a right of free religious practice and will never be removed.
To force those be “abandoned” is a perversion of justice and will definitely infringe on religious liberty.
All Netherlands has to do make mandatory reporting law, country wide.
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Anders Andersen
Yeah, sure. Then why did their lawyer suggest they hand over child abuse files? Obviously, to solicit victims
Already way over 200 victims have contacted RV. They hardly need to 'solicit'. This is an avalanche of suffering, caused in part by Watchtower.
and encourage them to sue in an attempt to drain them financially. This isn’t rocket science.
If you know anything about the Dutch legal system, you'd know monetary compensation for anything are jokes around here. This is not the USA. Trying to drain Watchtower financially by seeking compensation payments is useless in the Netherlands.
This has never been and will never be about protecting children of Jehovahs Witnesses.
You are describing Watchtower perfectly. Maybe even your own mindset.
Whatdo you do to improve the situation of child abuse victims within JW. At least RV is doing something. Don't accuse others of not caring for victims of you haven't done a single thing to help them yourself.
If it were, RV would go after the parents of abused children and demand answers as to why they failed their children.
JW parents' behavior is in large part a result of Watchtower doctrine, policies and culture. Don't JW normally pride themselves in having been reformed thanks to Watchtower? In cases like these, with elders having knowledge of abuse but not supporting victims to go to the police, or even discouraging them to do so, Watchtower is at least partly responsible. Their policies are damaging, and need to change.
But WT has the deeper pockets, and retribution is in order.
We'll see about that. Normally it's the mythical, loving Yahweh who seeks retribution, even if that means having to kill his own child as payment to himself. So I can see why you assume everyone thinks like that.
Zoals de waard is vertrouwt hij zijn gasten.
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Anders Andersen
Watchtower (and others) can be made subject to mandatory reporting of child abuse. No religious liberties at stake there.
In fact, Dutch law already requires that everyone who has knowledge of serious crimes like rape report it to the police. Those who don't risk prosecution.
They can be forced to create, publish and implement a proper child protection policy.
They can be required to appoint and properly educate people who'd act as internal contact point for child abuse cases.
They can be required to demand official 'statements of good behavior' before appointing elders.
There are lots of things that can be done to improve the situation without infringing on personal or religious freedom.
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Anders Andersen
All Netherlands has to do make mandatory reporting law, country wide.
Don't you think it's strange that God's supposedly clean people with the highest standard of morality of all needs worldly law makers to tell them crimes should be reported to the police, and children need to be protected from abuse?
If JW were really gods people they'd be an example for the world instead of the other way around.
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Bobby2446
Yeah once you prove your claims, then you can talk. The proof is severely lacking at this point.
And trying to blame the actions of adults on other adults is quite possibly the most hilarious thing I’ve ever heard.
No one can make you do anything apart from proven duress. That’s a tall hill you have to climb.
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Bobby2446
No I don’t find it strange at all. The Bible clearly says that God allows secular government to make laws governing his people.
Its strange to those who never read that before.
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Bobby2446
Lol I am all for requirements that don’t violate religious freedom.
Thats their jobs.
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Bobby2446
Yeah Anders, you can deny all you want that the primary goal of this foundation is to be a litigious organization, but their own information betrays you.
They are begging for money. And the first persons they plant to hire aren’t child abuse specialists, not scientists, not psychologists, but LAWYERS, plural, for unstated and ambiguous reasons.
Lawyers don’t come cheap, and generally are all the same: they are in it to get paid, especially when a rich and hated organization like WT is the target.
I get the feeling their narrative will be something along the lines of: “we demand you adopt policy X, or see you in court”.