AudeSapere, I don't blame you for not believing anything Lloyd Evans says including his side of the story regarding his judicial meeting. I'm skeptic myself on his judicial meeting claims. However with lack of evidence to the contrary, I will go with what has been admitted to. I suspect Watchtower has information on Lloyd Evans that this man never wants to be made public.
It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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NonCoinCollector
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AudeSapere
@NonCoinCollector: I strongly suspect that too.
Not sure that WTS will make any of it public, but I believe they have details that he does not want made public.
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vienne
AudeS,
I agree. I can't see them pointing to exJw nonsense. They wouldn't want to send adherents off to an opposition web site.
Evans sees himself as effective. But as far as I can see, he has always "preached to the choir."
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CalvinistEmily
At this point I'm struggling to imagine what it could possibly be that's worse than what he's already admitted to. He's been entirely open about punting on a very regular basis over many years. He can say "consenting adults" all he likes, but Andrew and a few others asked him directly about trafficking and other forms of coercion and he's not answered it. That's serial rape, and he doesn't care or think it's a big deal. And in his Ukraine video a while back, he was apparently enabling arms dealing, giving out bank details for donations to buy weapons. Unless he's killed someone or his judicial committee was for some obscure extreme crime that I've never heard of, what could possibly be worse than rape and gunrunning?
Then again, this is Lloyd, what he thinks is wrong and shameful is very different from what normal people think is wrong. Maybe he forgot to use someone's preferred pronouns on Twitter or something and he thinks that's a worse crime.
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Diogenesister
Aude Sapere perhaps a more significant topic to be discussed was his inappropriate behavior with girls in the hall and girls on the phone.
Or... There was Bethel Branch Manager present to act as an interpreter since Lloyd apparently does not speak Croatian very well.
I remember being very surprised at the time that Lloyd didn't record his judicial meeting. He'd been making videos around the whole waking up process. Everyone was recording their judicial's, at the time, and posting them online. It was very bizarre to have this big lead up.....to nothing. I definitely think it was because he didn't want his sexual proclivities broadcast. The ego was still at a containable level at this point😂 Admitting to porn is one thing, admitting to regular adultery another.
The Branch dude was probably there for translation purposes OR because elders in the local area had conflict of interest due to close ties with Dijana and her family? That could be a reason they needed an "out-of-towner" maybe?
Kim One thing that really stood out in your interview with Andrew is that whilst you have always corrected anyone posting unfair or incorrect things about Lloyd, he stood by a watched the pile on taking place on you and never once intervened when someone attacked you for things you had not done.
He also never fails to wave the fact 'Producer Bob' is a pseudonym. That she definitely wants to remain anonymous and he does it in such a way as to be an obviously veiled threat. As in: I'm being so 'gracious' as to NOT reveal her identity for now.
Both of these behaviours really reveal to me what sort of person he is.
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TonusOH
The term "consequence culture" sounds like nonsense. Being canceled is the consequence in our current social environment. Neither term really deals with whether the action of the person or those who cancel him is moral or just, they simply speak to an outcome.
It's also a poor way of trying to deflect and obfuscate from the more pressing matter of the actions that are at the center of any discussion of consequences or cancellations. He's too boxed in to a corner to have an effective defense, so he is flailing a bit now. Which just draws more attention to his situation and makes more people aware of what he did, and the way that he's trying to minimize how awful it is. The 'consenting adults' line sounds bizarre from someone who admits to lacking self control. Does anyone really believe that he went through the trouble to make sure that his "girlfriend" wasn't being trafficked? Or any of the 'sex workers' that he's been seeing over the past 3-4 years?
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Simon
I am not convinced that the Bethel Branch Manager was at his Judicial meeting.
He says they were but when recanting specifics of his Judicial meeting and why he would not be recording the meeting,
This to me is a story in waiting. We may never find out but we can tell he's not telling the truth because what he says makes no sense - for someone who records and broadcasts everything he makes the bizarre statement that "I have nothing to hide ... so I won't be recording it".
To say "I have nothing to hide, so I'm recording it" makes sense but we know he didn't
Saying "I do have something to hide, so I'm not recording it" would make sense and matches what happened
We may never know. The WTS doesn't broadcast reasons, it simply makes an announcement in the local KH with no reason. So I don't think we can expect any information from them.
The fact that no further details (to my knowledge) have ever come from Lloyd tells us all we need to know - he's hiding something, and it's nothing that would be beneficial to him to expose.
The obvious conclusions (still speculation) is that it's perhaps a coverup of some scandal that involves him. If it was about other people I don't think he'd show any restraint from using the information, so my belief is that it's some scandal or coverup involving himself.
Throw in some of the other statements I believe he's made such as the reason for including some things in his book (to prevent someone trying to blackmail him?) and you can begin to paint a picture of possibilities.
Something covered up, something sexual, something involving sexting "girls", maybe only hinting at things enough in his book to take the wind out of subsequent accusations, something he wouldn't want exposed. Who knows what it could be though ...
But we're dealing with someone who's publicly admitted cannot control themselves sexually.
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Simon
At this point I'm struggling to imagine what it could possibly be that's worse than what he's already admitted to. He's been entirely open about punting on a very regular basis over many years. He can say "consenting adults" all he likes, but Andrew and a few others asked him directly about trafficking and other forms of coercion and he's not answered it. That's serial rape, and he doesn't care or think it's a big deal.
I did a back-of-the napkin calculation in another thread and you quickly reach "almost certain" probability that visiting sex workers means you're a CSA survivor rapist.
We should look at doing something more scientific using bayesian inference which would be perfect for exactly this type of thing (percentages of percentages of populations)
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
This to me is a story in waiting. We may never find out but we can tell he's not telling the truth because what he says makes no sense
From my recollection of the video, the JC was for him and as he had purposely made it known locally that he ran an apostate website. In an earlier thread on this forum he stated that he wanted to release his book under his own name and then get DFed as a result. The book was released 3 years later so for some unknown reason he changed his plan.
He brought two letters, one from him in English that simply stated "I am resigning from membership with the Jehovah's Witnesses" and signed/dated it. Hs wife's letter was in Croatian and was about a page long. The elders first refused to take her letter as it was not her hearing and should she wish to have something to tell them she could do it herself. Lloyd insisted they read it which they at length did. However, it was not clear what she wanted as there was a passage that translated as "I don't see myself as a Jehovah's Witness" and the committee made the point that it wasn't necessarily a resignation letter and wanted to meet with the wife on another date alone to clarify. Lloyd got irritated with them and offered to call her on the phone so she could officially resign. He brought up her pregnancy as a reason she could or would not attend.
I think it's curious that he was dead-set against his wife ever attending any hearing with or without him and sought to use a letter of hers to close the matter. Did he pressure her to write the letter? Was he afraid of what testimony his wife would be asked to provide?
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JTrottigy
I want him to read my postings and hear my voice in everything he does from now on.
I guess there are a lot of others like you who wish to concentrate on L.E. as indicated by 1827 comments on 183 pages repeating the same things over and over again. A narcissistic like L.E. will enjoy being the center of attention I am sure.
I just wonder why you all are so willing to give him the attention he craves? You are not hurting him at all, just feeding his ego, and to blind to see you are buying in to his agenda of getting attention. SMH