Whenever he gets somebody on his channel now I have to wonder: is this someone who doesn’t know LE’s history, or is this someone who knows and doesn’t care? I doubt Dijana includes it in whatever information she sends out when booking someone.
It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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lloydevansparody
I doubt Dijana includes it in whatever information she sends out when booking someone.
And you see the reason on why it must be Dijana to book interviews 😉
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TonusOH
BORG OFF: I just haven’t seen anyone else with the ability to speak to newly woken up JW in the same way as Lloyd has done over the years
I think that it helped that he would often slice up the long videos into smaller solo segments that were only 10-15 minutes long. His presentation in these is good, and the information can be useful. They can be handy for someone who has a foot out the door and wants some reassurance.
But this topic isn't about his work helping exJWs leave the organization. It's about how he treats others and how he behaves, which matters when his brand involves making moral judgments against the WTS. There are quite a lot of exJWs working to help people to learn about the organization and get out of it, and he has treated many of them... poorly. Enough that some have stopped doing that work, embittered by the experience of being attacked by him and by his army of supporters. That's a loss that we probably cannot quantify. One can only hope that some of them will be encouraged to return by the events of the past year.
But if the pushback against Evans stops, those returning exJW content creators may end up going through the same bitter experience from before, because he is so vindictive and destructive in his desire to get at anyone who isn't fully on his side. It helps them, and it helps the growing number of his supporters who make the mildest criticism and are savaged for it, and wonder what they did wrong. They can come here and realize that they didn't do anything wrong, aside from supporting Lloyd.
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slimboyfat
Quote from LE: “Our sexuality is who we are”.
I wonder what other people think, but I’d rather say sexuality is (and gender) an important part of who we are, it doesn’t encompass everything about us, as the statement would seem to imply. Maybe he’s giving a bit of himself away there also by focussing on sexuality rather than gender, in that comment, and in the interview as a whole.
I find the whole topic very confusing to begin with because I personally have never had any inner conflict about either gender or sexuality, so it is difficult for me to relate to or understand the issue. I can see that for some people it clearly is an issue and can be a source of a lot of suffering. I don’t know what the answers are because it’s very complicated, but I don’t think LE is going to crack that nut, or given his history that his intervention is going to be anything other than disruptive and/or damaging.
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Thisismein1972
Personally speaking. The people who don't make a song and dance about helping people are the ones I respect the most. No one has to shout from the rafters that they are helping people. It's like the TikTokers and YouTubers who film themselves whilst giving money to the homeless. They are doing it for clicks and likes.
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Vintage
And their "advertisment" of their good deeds often leads to trouble for themselves,... being asked for money by people they don't know or barely know, for example.
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JeffT
I just now got some time to poke around in the financials a page or two back.
Disclaimer: any comments I make are based on the following assumptions
1) The documents were lawfully obtained by the original poster
2) The information as provided is accurate and unaltered
3) It is understood that I am not an expert in Croatian tax law
Quick question: section 3.1.1 states that income is derived from "sales revenue." What is being sold?
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Pasta_Hour
hang on getting popcorn for this one. JeffT: Lloyd makes online book sales.
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
hang on getting popcorn for this one. JeffT: Lloyd makes online book sales.
Also his merchandise. Check out the tabs on his YT page.
As for the legitimacy of the documents, the LE Parody has downloaded that from the Croatian governmental tax authority that was filed with. They forwarded it to me. You’ll have to ask them for the link, and it’s been posted here before so unless LEP made up the entire thing in Croatian, forged Dijana’s signature and the company stamp, I have no reason to question that as false.
As for the English document, full disclosure: I do not speak nor can I read Croatian. I translated that into English from the original Croatian so people don’t have to spend all day trying to read it. I have a programme which took the text out of the pdf and translated it. I then went back over it and some things didn’t translate properly as the Croatian alphabet has letters which are variations on the standard Latin one. I fed those words into google translate until I got something that made sense. Some terms I had to google. Since the only Croatian speakers I “know” are Tibor and Dijana, they are more than welcome to argue with google translate as to what the original Croatian term really means. From what I saw, Croatian has a lot of Latin loan words and I easily read words like “financijski”.
Really? Surely he has no meltdowns left …..
We’re on Season 2, Episode 3… we’re about to find out if he was lying about not being able to afford Tibor at 416 patrons. The resolution for yesterday’s cliffhanger will be in the next episode.
Same time. Same channel. Next week on JWN…
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JeffT
LMsA, thanks for providing the chain of custody for the document.
So here's what I'm curious about. If that income number is for sales of books etc, where is the Patreon money accounted for?