FORENSIC ANALYSIS: The Governing Body as Lying Liars who Lie

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  • Terry
    Terry

    PATTERN OF EXCUSES

    Example #1

    BLAME THE BIBLE !

    PROCLAIMER'S BOOK*** jv chap. 10 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth ***

    Footnote p. 133

    "The chronology was flawed because of relying on an inaccurate rendering of Acts 13:20 in the King James Version, belief that there was a transcription error at 1 Kings 6:1, and failure to take into account Biblical synchronisms in the dating of reigns of the kings of Judah and of Israel. A clearer understanding of Biblical chronology was published in 1943, in the book "TheTruth Shall Make You Free,"and it was then refined the following year in the book "TheKingdom Is at Hand," as well as in later publications.

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    EXAMPLE #2

    DISTORT the MEANING of WHAT YOU (previously)TAUGHT

    (What was actually taught: "… from the beginning of the Lord’s presence in 1874 the Devil used the Papal system as the chief opposing instrument of God’s kingdom …" Watchtower1930 p.275

    *******COMPARE WITH THIS FALSE STATEMENT*****

    (False claim: " The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honest hearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914. Events since that year testify to Jesus' invisible presence." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5

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    NOTE: If they taught the beginning was the end, followed by the reverse-- how can they claim to be consistent in that teaching?

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    Example #3

    Outright Lying:

    Actually taught:

    "Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble."Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

    Lying about it:

    "Jehovah's Witnesses have consistently shown from the Scriptures that the year 1914 marked the beginning of this world's time of the end and that "the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men" has drawn near." Watchtower 1993 Aug 15 p.9

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    NOTE: Attributing a false claim to God Himself is blasphemy (see above: "They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours."

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    Example #4

    BLAMESHIFTING

    (When would annointed go to heaven?)

    "That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time... "Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come(1908 ed.) p.228

    (Vague language: ) "There is no doubt that many throughout this period were overzealous in their statements as to what could be expected. Some read into the Watch Tower statements that were never intended." Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose p.52

    "Their thoughts and desires had been fixed primarily on the prospect of being changed to heavenly life. When this did not occur at the anticipated time, they closed their minds to the significance of the amazing things that did take place in 1914. They lost sight of all the precious truths that they had learned from God’s Word, and they began to ridicule the people who had helped them to learn these." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.636

    (Note: What significance did they close their mind to? False statements as to the events, the date and the details of the prediction? What else is left?)

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    Example#5:

    IMAGINARY FACTS & PROOF

    "Bible prophecy shows that the Lord was due to appear for the second time in the year 1874. Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that he did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable." Watchtower 1922 Nov 1 p.333

    "The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D." Prophecy 1929 pp.65,66

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    Example #6:

    DISTORTING IMAGINARY FACTS & PROOF

    "The prophecy of the Bible, fully supported by the physical facts in fulfilment thereof, shows that the second coming of Christ dates from the fall of the year 1914."What is Truth? (1932) p.48

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    Note: The same "facts" support contradictory dates!

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    Example #6

    DOUBLE STANDARD

    "No, the UN is not a blessing, even though the religious clergy of Christendom and the rabbis of Jewry pray heaven’s blessing upon that organization. It is really “the image of the wild beast,” the visible political, commercial organization of “the god of this system of things,” Satan the Devil. So the UN will soon be destroyed along with that beastly organization."Watchtower 1984 Sep 15 p.15

    "A person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such asbecoming part of an organisation whose objective is contrary to the Bible, and hence is under judgement by Jehovah God. (Compare Rev 19:17-21; Isaiah 2:4) So if one who was a Christian chose to join those who are disapproved of God, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he had disassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses." Watchtower Sept 15th 1981 pg. 23

    scarlet colored wild beast

    "Jehovah's Witnesses maintain neutrality with regard to the political and military affairs of the nations. (John 17:16; rs pp. 269-76) ... Since true dedicated Christians are "no part of the world," if a member of the congregation unrepentantly pursues a course in violation of his Christian neutrality, he thereby disassociates himself from the neutral Christian congregation. (John 15:19; 17:14-16; w82 1/15 p. 31)" "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock"p.140

    "The United Nations is actually a worldly confederacy against Jehovah God and his dedicated Witnesses on earth." Watchtower 1987 Sep 1 p.20

    "Human governments have schemed to form the most brazen and defiant conspiracy against divine rule that has ever existed. (Compare Isaiah 8:11-13.) They have done so, not once, but twice, creating first the League of Nations and then the United Nations." Awake! 1990 Dec 8 p.24

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    Example #7

    FALSE PROPHECY re: 1925

    NOTE: Deuteronomy 18:21-22 "and in case you should say in your heart, "how shall we know the word that Jehovah has NOT spoken" when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak ."

    "... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217
    "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures because it is fixed by the law God gave to Israel. Viewing the present situation in Europe, one wonders how it will be possible to hold back the explosion much longer; and that even before 1925 the great crisis will be reached and probably passed." Watch Tower 1922 Sep 1 p.262
    "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith then Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." Watch Tower 1923 Apr 1 p.106
    "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914;…" Watchtower 1924 Jul 15 p.211

    COMPARE THE ABOVE with AFTER 1925:

    “It was stated in the 'Millions' book that we might reasonably expect them to return shortly after 1925, but this was merely an expressed opinion; besides it is still shortly after 1925. ... Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything.” Watch Tower 1926 pp.196,232

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    COMPARE THE ABOVE with BEFORE 1925:

    "We cannot be blamed for presenting from the Scriptures such evidence as they afford which leads us to believe that a certain event will take place at a given time. Some times the Lord has let His people looking for the right thing at the wrong time, and more frequently they have looked for the wrong things at the right time. But all the enemies of the cause of present truth in the earth are fervently hoping that the Bible students will not be so successful in 1925 in looking for the right thing at the right time as they were in 1914. if they are, however, it will be the other fellow that will have to do the explaining, and not we." Golden Age 1924 Feb 13 p.314

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    Example #8

    COVER UP

    “We are determined to be loyal to Jehovah and to his organization. This organization hasnever disappointed us and always gives us an abundance of pure waters of truth from God’s Word.” Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.12

    COMPARE ABOVE WITH:

    “So, as Anna MacDonald recalls: “1925 was a sad year for many brothers. Some of them were stumbled; their hopes were dashed. They had hoped to see some of the ‘ancient worthies’ [men of old like Abraham] resurrected. Instead of its being considered a ‘probability,’ they read into it that it was a ‘certainty,’ and some prepared for their own loved ones with expectancy of their resurrection.”” Yearbook 1975 p.146

    Mark 9: 42 " But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith, it would be better for him if a millstone that is turned by a donkey were put around his neck and he were pitched into the sea."

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    Note:

    Forensic Data Analysis
    It examines structured data with regard to incidents of any discrepancy. The aim is to discover and analyse patterns of fraud, deception.

  • Freeandclear
    Freeandclear
    Great post. If this alone doesn't convince any "honest hearted" person who's a JW now that this Organization is a real FALSE prophet according to Deut. 18 then I don't know what will......
  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Once again, for the newbies, lurkers, and trolls...

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    ...if you have to cheat to defend your beliefs, your beliefs don't deserve to be defended.

  • cha ching
    cha ching

    Thank you again, Terry!

    I love the title! Governing Body as Lying Liars who Lie.

    Thank you for spending your time finding all these quotes!

    So many people make excuses for them: "They are so good hearted" "They work so hard" or even this lame, stupid, moronic one (my JW sister gave) "Don't tell anybody this, but I think they are just a bunch of little old men who might have alzheimers" Why is she listening to them!!???? Really? Go down to a rest home, and listen to someone with Alzheimers! Base your life on what they tell you????

    They had the same pattern of reasoning when it came to 1975. Blame the publishers for getting too excited! Same b.s. from the same mouths.

    How many people can get their hands on these publications? Or have the time? Keep running on the hamster wheel.... Run, run, run!

    Do.... not.... sit....with.... men.... of.... lies....

  • John Free
    John Free
    An excellent post, intellectually destroying the concept that this cult is guided by God.
  • TheOldHippie
    TheOldHippie

    I was just wondering about no. 2:

    DISTORT the MEANING of WHAT YOU (previously)TAUGHT

    (What was actually taught: "… from the beginning of the Lord’s presence in 1874 the Devil used the Papal system as the chief opposing instrument of God’s kingdom …" Watchtower1930 p.275

    (False claim: " The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honest hearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914. Events since that year testify to Jesus' invisible presence." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5

    I have not the magazines in front of me, but is it not that just as it is stated that the presence started in 1914 with His coming and will end with His coming again in another sence during the Great Tribulation - that they also back then said that His coming in 1874 was the beginning of the judgmental period, and that it would end after 40 years - 1914 - with His coming at that time (1914) as Heavenly King. That in a way it is correct to say that they have always stated His presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914, because His presence in 1874 was NOT in Kingdom power? I KNOW this is playing with words, but is it not in a way true - seen from within?

  • TheOldHippie
    TheOldHippie
    And just to have said it - I have always found no. 3 disturbing - the world before 1914 was so troublesome that it was hard to see how the End could be postponed that long, how could one endure? - but now it is said that the world before 1914 was a peaceful world which was ruined by the 1914 events.
  • Terry
    Terry
    TheOldHippie3 hours ago

    I was just wondering about no. 2:

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    The Faithful and Discreet Slave has two main duties. Dispensing food AND at the proper time.

    Food=Information

    Proper time=correct chronology

    In no.2 the information published and assured as divinely originated was chewed on as true Truth for four decades. Was it nourishing "food" and was it at the proper time?

    In no.2 the information published and assured as divinely originated was chewed on as true Truth for four decades. Was it nourishing "food" and was it at the proper time?
    No and No.

    The information was a blasphemy. Blasphemy is snatching from God what is His and giving it to some other entity.

    Blasphemy is snatching from God what is His and giving it to some other entity.

    The authority of the pronouncements in Watchtower publications were C.T. Russell's and NOT Jehovah's ALTHOUGH presented the other way round.
    That is a very subtle blasphemy indeed.

    The Watchtower published the 1874 nonsense AS JEHOVAH'S when it wasn't. Those false pretenses are blasphemous going in and coming out.

    The data was false and falsely attributed. Who should the Publishers blame if it was sourced as Divine, but Jehovah?

    Now, to your point. The "great thinkers" inside the Watchtower have always been self-assured and wrong with full confidence. They lift a bad template and move it forward with great ease! This methodology is consistent, but it is consistently wrong.

    the world before 1914 was so troublesome that it was hard to see how the End could be postponed that long, how could one endure? - but now it is said that the world before 1914 was a peaceful world which was ruined by the 1914 events.

    Down through the decades, the position of Watchtower writers is one of contrasting world events BEFORE 1914 as setting the stage for a momentous upheaval never-before-seen-in-human history. Poppycock, of course. WWII was worse than WWI by far, with the first explosion of a nuclear bomb in human history. That was a much better candidate.

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    I KNOW this is playing with words, but is it not in a way true - seen from within?

    As the very honest Bill Clinton once said under oath: "It depends on what the meaning of "is" is."

  • Atlantis
    Atlantis

    Terry:

    Thank you very much! Great stuff!

    Atlantis!

  • I Faded Twice
    I Faded Twice

    Just dawned on me that the reason they claim 1914 is because of ww1 . Isn't it ironic that the year their lord and redeemer arrived invisibly to rule the earth suddenly became a worse place....At least according to them.

    Some God they worship!

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