How far will they go? (page 4)

_Morpheus

Slim, think this:

5 crayons one box same 5 crayons 5 boxes. Same number of crayons. Not different.

Or

5 pennies same 1 nickle.

Morph you do realise that there’s no such thing as a congregation with one person? You are not even making sense, which always a good indication that it’s time to rethink your position. If you can’t explain your view without resorting to nonsense it should tell you something.

I just realised that one unrealistic part of the scenario I provided above is necessarily the reduction in pioneers. In reality I think pioneer numbers have increased in recent years. But once again this just shows you need to be careful with definitions and numbers. When I was young being a pioneer really meant something and often included people who significantly altered their work/family/life situations in order to spend considerable amounts of time going door to door. Nowadays there may be more pioneers but they are largely auxiliary pioneers who spend 50 hours or less per month, and they are mostly older people who don’t need to alter their life situations in any significant way in order to claim the badge of pioneer. They don’t even need to do all that much ministry these days because of carts. A whole generation of baby boomer JW have claimed the badge of “pioneer” as a sort of retirement pastime. Which is significantly different from what it used to be. So comparing raw numbers in this case, once again, is not comparing like with like.

sir82

Nowadays there may be more pioneers but they are largely auxiliary pioneers who spend 50 hours or less per month

The WTS does not include "auxiliary pioneers" in its year end totals.

If the report says "pioneers", it means "regular pioneers".

The number of regular pioneers has increased in recent years.

I do grant that pioneering is easier than 40, or even 20, years ago.

Besides the easy "cart work" now available, a lot of pioneers "get their time", or at least large chunks of it, in non-field-service activity - working with LDCs, or as remote part-time Bethel workers, or other "theocratic" activities that are approved of by HQ.

slimboyfat

Morph I notice you made no comment on the census figures.

2001 in Canada 155,000 JWs

2011 in Canada 138,000 JWs

_Morpheus

Morph you do realise that there’s no such thing as a congregation with one person

punkofnice

gorby - Imagine: you have inside information that could destroy the Watchtower corporations.

We all have this and they know it. They have killed us through shunning.

stillin

That's a good point, Punk. Whereas we could have been counted and included in the census every year, and helped the numbers to "speak for themselves," the WTS would rather block out any hint of dissent from its' ranks, any hint of personal expression. It scares them. We might have actually contributed to the collective energy in the worldwide congregation if thoughts were welcomed instead of banned.

I think that this is why some see the inevitable implosion of the Organization. No real food for thought. Stagnation. That wasn't the appeal when I joined, and I doubt that many are attracted to the Borg now, excepting those who are comfortable with stagnation.

lemonjuice

How far would they go to protect the assets?
would they kill?

From personal experience and knowing the vengeful spirit they and their Congregation leaders show to opposers and what they are willing to do to get things done their way makes me think they just might ... But I'd think only if they could cover all the tracks back to themselves and be sure you are that much of a threat to them. So it will depend on which country you're in, your threat level, how untraceable they would be and so forth.

They are worse people then any of us can imagine. By this I mean the leaders and some of the power hungry local congregation members.

Even if you're not that much of a danger to them they normally will do everything VERY SECRETLY to mess up your personal life and family and if that doesn't work who knows what else they do. It's all to show to the congregation... You see he was a bad boy ... Now God has punished him.

If you're still in this religion... Run man and run fast... It's the worst thing that has ever happened to you!

Vidiot

I don't think they have the spine for murder.

How far will they go?

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