Verifying The Claim The IBSA ,not JW ,were approved by Jehovah God / Christ Jesus as God`s Chosen People in 1919 ??

by smiddy3 12 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  smiddy3

  How do they verify this claim,if they can and how easy do we debunk this claim if we can ?

  What is needed to verify a claim made by anyone or an organization ?

  I`m interested in what you have to say about this .
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  TonusOH

  I don't see how it is possible to verify the claim that God made a choice/decision at any time. That's why it's so common for religious groups to point at some event, link it to a handful of scattered verses in a book/poem, and claim that it means something.

  It's more possible to check claims and see how accurate they are (or aren't).
  

  The JWs claim that God blessed their organization in 1919, with the implication being that after a period where they were tested, they were suddenly and inexplicably released from prison, with their long sentences commuted as if by a miracle. But it seems that their release in 1919 was engineered when Rutherford agreed to remove certain pages/passages from one of his books, which were highly critical of the Catholic Church.

  If the latter is the case (I don't remember where I read about it), then there is nothing miraculous or divine about their release from prison in 1919. They simply cut a deal and then pretended that it didn't happen the way it did. That doesn't strike me as the kind of thing a group actually blessed by God would have done.
  
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  punkofnice

  s3 How do they verify this claim, if they can and how easy do we debunk this claim if we can ?

  They simply say it is so. The JWs HAVE TO BELIEVE it or be shunned or treated like a leper.

  What is needed to verify a claim made by anyone or an organization ?

  The impossible.
  However, if that drunken fool TOMO3 says this is true, then JWs MUST believe while the rest of us roll our eyes and laugh.
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  nowwhat?

  The story goes that Jehovah blessed Rutherford with cases of bootleg whiskey during prohibition.
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  joao

  Proving that one is blessed by God is impossible but proving that one isn't is very easy! :)
  
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  Atlantis

  First of all, the Watchtower can not make up its mind "when" they were actually inspected or found fit.

  
  1879
  

  Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, pg.22

  
  For this reason 1879 was a turning point in the work. This little group, headed by C . T. Russell, had now been tested and had been found fit to undertake the great preliminary campaign leading up to the climax expected in 1914.
  
  Scan: Click the image to Zoom in.
  https://postimg.cc/V5xPm1V7
  
  Then, other examples posted by "Alfred" years ago show the dates of 1918 and 1919.
  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/217275/wt-flip-flops-on-jesus-inspection-1918-1919-did-wt-pass-fail.
  
  In every case shown, whether it was 1879, 1918, or 1919, it was

  the International Bible Students who were tested or inspected, not Jehovah's Witnesses. The name "Jehovah's Witnesses" for this group of people was not used until 1931.
  
  Atlantis!
  
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  Disillusioned JW

  I.B.S.A. was set up under the control of Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. As far as I can tell it still is under that control. It was definitely under WT control in 1998 as one of the publishers of WT publications. For example the First Printing In English of Is There a Creator Who Cares About You? lists them as a publisher of that book, as well as Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. as the other publisher. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporations_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses#International_Bible_Students_Association says the following. 'The International Bible Students Association (IBSA) is a corporate not-for-profit organization used by Jehovah's Witnesses in the United Kingdom for the production and distribution of religious literature. Its stated purpose is "to promote the Christian religion by supporting congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses and others in connection with their spiritual and material welfare in Britain and abroad within the charitable purposes of the Association."[22]'

  Therefore though the WT long ago stopped referring to their religion as International Bibles Students (or "International Bibles Students Association"?) They still to continue to use the "International Bible Students Association as one of their own publishers.

  However there is a website at https://www.internationalbiblestudents.com/ but I don't see on it any WT literature which was published after Russell died.
  
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  smiddy3

  Thank you Atlantis for publishing that list posted by "Alfred" .

  I might actually print a copy of that list and send it to my niece.

  It can`t do any harm as she never contacts us anymore like she once did.
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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Neither organization was chosen by God for anything. The claim a complete fabrication.
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  Vanderhoven7

  How do they know any of the invisible events of 1874, 1881, 1914, 1918, 1919 1922- 1926 took place. Because that is what Watchtower told them.

  For starters, there are no dates in the Bible.

  Everything is established by eisegesis alone. The first resurrection began in the spring of 1918 and Christ rejected all of Christendom in the fall of 1918, and chose the directors of the WBTS at Brooklyn headquarters in 1919, is all extra-biblical, i.e., WTS mythology forming the basis for WT authority.

  You can make the Bible say anything you want to if you can add your own church history onto the scriptures and call it Bible-based.

  The most humorous example of this kind of interpretive abuse is found in the sounding of the trumpets in Revelation 8-11. When the first trumpet sounded, a third of earth's trees and grass burn up Rev.8:1-7 because Rutherford gave a talk at a convention in Ohio in 1922.

  The Book of Revelation is all about them because they so.