Boroean Pickets has done a thorough review on this talk if you're interested
Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"
by Sanchy 59 Replies latest jw friends
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Saename
darkspilver shared two pictures that show "Question from Readers" section of Watchtower 1 July, 1957. In the third paragraph, it is written,
In the first place, let it be noted that the two disciples on the way to Emmaus were Bible readers and yet did not understand why God had allowed Jesus to be put to death. The scribes and Pharisees read God's Word continually and yet failed to appreciate that Jesus was their Messiah.
Interestingly, the author of the words above fails to mention that the Jews did not believe that the messiah would die. It was the invention of Jesus' followers after his death to reason why the person they believed to be the messiah had died. Historically speaking, the Jews in Jesus' lifetime did not believe the messiah would die! This is why those "Bible readers," as the Watchtower calls them, did not understand the scriptures the way the Christians did! The Jews had many beliefs as to who the messiah would be—a priest, a king, a warrior, a prophet, etc.—but no Jew believed that the messiah would die!
Oh those apologetic Christians!
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New day
Got to agree with the comment that Ken Flodin's British branch talk was superb. Practical and actually based on the bible! This is the same guy that on a broadcast some time ago praised Bro Splaine's explanation of the mad new 'overlapping generation' teaching as 'masterful.' Flodin has got to be schizophrenic!
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sir82
Just thought it was worth noting - what a difference 60 years makes!
In 1957, it was quite common to acknowledge the arguments of "opposers" and (at least attempt to) refute them. They were just as wrong as they are today, but they were fearless and willing to engage in discussion. This attitude ran through the organization, from the top (the author of the QFR) to the bottom.
Flash forward nearly 60 years: JWs cower in fear and retreat like scared puppies whenever anyone mounts the slightest of challenges to anything they believe in. "Er....um....uh....look at JW.org!" is the most they can come up with, as they backtrack away as fast as their feet will take them.
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sparky1
The Watchtower defending it's teachings 60 years ago.
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sparky1
The Watchtower defending it's teachings today!
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Hadriel
Video Rebuttal on this talk available:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BZbKffcsbc&feature=youtu.be
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punkofnice
...and how many times have we 'apostates(TM)' told JWs to actually check the sources?
Looks like Flodin has unwittingly opened the way for more JWs to look at 'apostate(tm)' truths...I hope more will leave the cult.
....and wannabe pope Flodin....this is my response to you.....
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Hadriel
@punkofnice -Perfect clip!!
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Listener
Another insincere comment made by Flodin was his attempt to have his audience believe that it was 'a sincere older lady' who had been deceived by an apostate. He basis his assumption on the 'scrawl' the letter was written in.
All these assumptions were baseless. The idea that the person was sincere, that they were female and that they were old.
You would think that he has seen Geoffrey Jacksons handwriting which looks very feminine and the writing of a much younger person.
It's easy to conclude that he has said this to play on people's emotions.
He provides absolutely no evidence that the letter even exists.