by BoogerMan 27 Replies latest social current
For those that think this is some hoax, read about the Spanish Flu:
https://www.livescience.com/spanish-flu.html
They closed down theatres, schools, wore face masks in public, no hand shaking, social distancing and other things we are practicing now.
That was not some globalist agenda. History repeats itself and we are simply following what history has taught us.
These conspiracy theorists are fucking insane.
I've never once claimed, nor have I ever heard anyone else say, that Covid 19 is not a serious killer - it is!!!
Now that we've cleared that inferred accusation up, let's look at two genuine but bleak inconvenient facts/statistics concerning Covid 19 & the annual 'flu :
Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year. https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
The Covid 19 death toll at the moment is 344,405 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Bottom line: the criminalisation of any human contact outwith your household, the cessation of children's education, the destruction of millions of businesses, the created recession/depression of countries, the countless thousands of deaths of people whose healthcare/surgery is suspended indefinitely, and the mass umemployment - was it all scientifically & clinically justified, and was it worth it? As they say in the U.S., 'do the math'!
p.s. generic disposable face-masks can/will cause the wearer serious health problems if worn for overly-long periods of time. Not healthy.
BoogerMan
And imagine what things would look like now if life went on as normal with no lockdowns. Things would have had to shutdown due to so many more than now falling ill and dying.
The lockdowns were a way to not overwhelm hospitals and it achieved that. Now most in the world are trying to return to normal and see what happens.
I personally think it’s going to get a lot worse. Companies will be forced to shutdown due to no workers being healthy to work, which has been happening in some of the meat plants and other places where people need to work very close to one another.
Time will tell. We will have to discuss this in a couple years and see if some of you were right that this was some coordinated effort to accomplish some objective.
Is anyone able to come up with a list of conspiracy theories that were made in the past and have proven correct without any doubt?
Auto - Either Kaufman is a liar and you are a dolt for not doing your research.
Injecting DNA from a virus does NOT genetically modify the host. Kaufman must know this from his medical training.
Mark Lynas, a visiting fellow at Cornell University’s Alliance for Science group, debunked the idea that a DNA vaccine could genetically modify an organism. Lynas told Reuters that no vaccine can genetically modify human DNA.
“That’s just a myth, one often spread intentionally by anti-vaccination activists to deliberately generate confusion and mistrust,” he said. “Genetic modification would involve the deliberate insertion of foreign DNA into the nucleus of a human cell, and vaccines simply don’t do that. Vaccines work by training the immune system to recognize a pathogen when it attempts to infect the body - this is mostly done by the injection of viral antigens or weakened live viruses that stimulate an immune response through the production of antibodies.”
Lynas added: “The DNA [in DNA vaccines] does not integrate into the cell nucleus so this isn’t genetic modification - if the cells divide they will only include your natural DNA. But this approach is incredibly promising for COVID because it can be scaled up very quickly, and is very versatile - it is easy to synthetically produce DNA sequences that match the required bits of viral genetic code.”
Dr Paul McCray, Professor of Pediatrics, Microbiology, and Internal Medicine at the University of Iowa further explained to Reuters via email how the COVID-19 vaccines being developed would work:
“For COVID-19, the main protein used to boost the immune system is the spike (S) protein from the virus. This can be given as a vaccine in many different forms: as inactivated (dead) virus, as expressed protein, in a DNA or RNA vector that will make cells make this protein, etc. So the only modification to the host is to stimulate them to make antibodies and T cells that will prevent infection with the virus or kill any infected cells to prevent or reduce disease severity. This is what happens if you get a virus infection naturally, but the vaccine takes the risk of serious disease out of the equation.”
As I said conspiracy theorists are gullible dolts.
Keep repeating the mantra "conspiracy theorists" as you watch the paranoia also destroy the 3rd-rate Scottish football leagues. I'll bet a lot of the newly unemployed players don't believe the narrative either.
Unbelievably, whole nations swallowed Joe Stalin's, Adolf's, Tony Blair's, & George Bush's propaganda. So why should such a national-scale gullibilty be a surprise to anyone now?
In early 2021, please come back to either receive my apology for getting it so badly wrong, or to hold your hands up and admit to having given your approval for the destruction (figuratively & literally!) of so many lives and businesses. Time will tell who the gullible dolts really were!
Seasonal influenza typically kills more people annually than Cholera, Diphtheria, Tetanus and Malaria combined because we have taken and continue to take extraordinary measures to contain and treat these much more lethal diseases.
Misusing / Misunderstanding this statistic invites the label, conspiracy theorist.
Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
Yep, and that’s without any preventative measures apart from some countries vaccinating their over 60s. With all the social distancing measures being taken around the world Covid-19 has still killed at least 338,000, and that is a massive underestimate. The actual deaths from Covid-19 are not being reported correctly, either because of inadequate reporting systems or lying governments. In England we only used to report deaths in hospitals, but when deaths in care homes were included the numbers shot up, but even that doesn’t tell the whole story. The UK’s official death toll is 36,667, but that’s only those who had a positive test. If you include those that had Cocid-19 symptoms as a contributing factor on their death certificate that number jumps to 41,020. However, if you take the average deaths over this period we have 54,437 more deaths than we have had during this period in previous years. If that is typical of other countries then that 338,000 figure jumps to over half a million. And as so many governments are simply lying I suspect the real figure is even higher. For example, Qatar admits to over 40,000 cases, but admits to only 19 deaths, I find that highly suspicious, as I do Russia’s claim to have lost only 3,300 or so out of over 326,00 cases.
The number of deaths being incorrectly/falsely classified as Covid 19 deaths will never be known/revealed.
Notes on deaths figures: "In addition to these figures, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) publishes weekly counts of deaths in which COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate. [not stated as cause of death] The ONS series includes cases in all settings, and also includes some cases where COVID-19 is suspected but no test has taken place." https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
Covid 19 has been and is probably still being attributed as cause of death in cancer & cardiac arrest patients.
BoogerMan
nor have I ever heard anyone else say, that Covid 19 is not a serious killer
Oh No? What do you make of these two earlier in this thread?;
Matt
i knew the virus was fake when it was first announced in china
Attomat
The main reasons for bringing about this pandemic hoax
However Boogerman, I acknowledge that you have a point that has nothing to do with conspiracy theorists. In all wars there are casualties, and you are perfectly right to question where those casualties should be. There is an argument for simply allowing this pandemic to run its course and accept millions of deaths, most of which would be the elderly, who are non-productive anyway, and those with an underlying health condition, who are more likely to die sooner rather than later, so no big deal. We must also add the many thousands of front line medics and carers, and accept the heavier toll this virus would take on our black and ethnic minority groups. You are free to argue that all those casualties are an acceptable price for keeping our economies intact, but you are doing more than that. You are saying that those of us who don’t accept that price are being fooled.
I’m quite happy to come back next year to debate who advocated the best strategy.
