According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

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  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    The great crowd will be saved according to Rev.

    But if you die before A, we can only guess what the Bible means by righteous and unrighteous being resurrected. Then the Bible says that there is a final test after humanity reaches perfection at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ.

    This is the algorithm for salvation past present and future:

    “O Jehovah, who may be a guest in your tent? Who may reside in your holy mountain? 2 The one who is walking faultlessly, Practicing what is right And speaking the truth in his heart. “—Compare Proverbs 28:18

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    Fisherman,

    Can you walk faultlessly? If not, you got a problem. Why quote the scriptures that condemn you and ignore the ones that save you?

    we can only guess what the Bible means by righteous and unrighteous being resurrected.

    No, the bible tells us exactly what will happen to the righteous and unrighteous. - all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. - Jn. 5

    The righteous will inherit the earth... remember? But scripture announces in several places that "there is no one righteous, no not one". So the only way to be righteous if for it to be imputed to you. And the only way for that to happen is through the new covenant.

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman
    Can you walk faultlessly? If not, you got a problem. Why quote the scriptures that condemn you and ignore the ones that save you?
    You can look up the word translated faultlessly in the NWT in Strong’s meaning integrity. I understand and get the sense of the Hebrew word, you don’t. A person walking in his integrity can fall and the ransom covers sins but this doesn’t mean that a person can ignore this scripture and not walk in his integrity. However, this scripture also alludes to human perfection. The NWT loyal to the Hebrew language uses the English word faultlessly. After humanity reaches perfection at the end of the thousand years and walks faultlessly can eat of the tree of life and be saved. In the meantime, we can walk in integrity and remain in God’s favor even if we fall at times.
  • Fisherman
    Fisherman
    No, the bible tells us exactly what will happen to the righteous and unrighteous.

    You don’t grasp mentally because we don’t know for sure what the Bible means by righteous and unrighteous first as it relates to those that will and will not be resurrected , so it is a guess.

    Note that there is a distinction between unrighteous and the wicked also. The verse does not say that the wicked will be resurrected. That distinction is made by God so we don’t know.

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice
    According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

    I bet they are wary of the word 'saved'.

    Even if this means survival of 'armageddon(tm)', even they don't know and the GB don't care. I don't think the GB believe all this stuff themselves, but it's a rock star life for them so why should they care?

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    After humanity reaches perfection at the end of the thousand years and walks faultlessly can eat of the tree of life and be saved.

    Fisherman: This is the false gospel of the WT. It was unknown to the apostles who preached the "ministry of reconciliation". Why don't JW's preach that they can be reconciled to God NOW?

    Romans 8: 1 says that there is NOW no condemnation for born again believers.

    John5: 24 and John 6: 47- says we have passed from death to life & that we have (present tense) eternal life now.

    Do not imagine that you will receive anything from the Lord other than that which you seek: payment for your works, which you won't like I promise.

    You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. - Gal 5: 4

    Do you know what the word "severed" means? "if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" - Romans 8: 9

    Nada, zilch, zero .... understand now?

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    This is the false gospel of the WT. It was unknown to the apostles

    says that there is NOW no condemnation for born again believers.

    You are incorrect:

    “(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.)” Rev 20:5

    Adam became a living soul not a dying soul. Humanity NOW is dying due to imperfection and sin. After the 1000 years when humans reach the point of perfection like before Adam sinned and became a dying soul, humans become living souls ( ..and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person..”)

    “Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea.”

    These people are not saved, fire comes down from heaven and destroys them. However, those that walk faultlessly will be saved. They won’t die. They will live forever on a paradise earth: “4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more.”

    This is not a false gospel. It is God’s word.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    Fisherman: You imagine yourself living in the future millennium. Of course many of those living in the millennium won't be saved because they rebelliously reject Jesus just as you do now.

    But we live in the NOW, not the future age:

    Galatians 4:6

    Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

    "if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" - Romans 8: 9

    "ANY MAN" - Get it now?

    Answer this: Why don't JW's preach that they can be reconciled to God NOW? This is the ministry of reconciliation.


    2 Corinthians 5:18 - And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;


    So, again: Why don't JW's preach the ministry of reconciliation which is the message that God gave to the church to preach?

    The WT wouldn't ever try to deceive anyone would they?




  • BoogerMan
    BoogerMan

    @ Sea Breeze: you are correct - the reconciliation began for everyone via their faith in Christ, B.C. & AD.

    According to The Holy Scriptures,

    (Matthew 12:50) whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

    (Matthew 13:38) The field is the world; as for the fine seed, these are the sons of the kingdom;

    (Matthew 25:40) To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me.

    (Mark 3:35) Whoever does the will of God, this one is my brother and sister and mother.”

    (Luke 6:35) To the contrary, continue to love YOUR enemies and to do good and to lend, not hoping for anything back; and YOUR reward will be great, and YOU will be sons of the Most High,

    (Luke 8:21) “My mother and my brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”

    (John 1:12,13) However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children.........

    (John 15:14) YOU are my friends if YOU do what I am commanding YOU.

    (Rom. 8:14) For all who are led by God’s spirit, these are God’s sons.

    (Gal. 3:26) YOU are all, in fact, sons of God through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus.

    (1 John 5:1) Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God..........(RSV)

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman
    be reconciled to God NOW?

    Christians suffer and die now and some even fall away from the faith:

    1 Corinthians 15:22-28 (nwt-E) — For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

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