Researching JW family history - help!

by odie 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • odie
    odie

    My grandfather and grandmother were married in 1910. My grandfather became involved with the church in 1911, but my grandmother refused. They had 4 children all forced to attend against their will until the time that my grandfather had no choice but to accept their refusal.

    Old family notes have my great grandparents also involved when the members were called Bible Students.

    Being unfamiliar with the practices I have a number of questions that I am hoping someone may be able to answer.

    Isn't it unusual to have one spouse following this faith while the other rebels? With my grandfather forcing his children to attend, does this usually mean they were baptized and became members? What would have happened when they left?

    My mother in particular would have nothing to do with religion of any sort after leaving, yet maintained ties with her family. Isn't there shunning involved when one has left the "flock"? One daughter returned to the faith and thereafter continuously tried to convert us. I understand once a person has left the faith that further discussions involving the religion are not allowed. According to my father, my grandfather never gave up trying to get my mother involved again.

    I have called a number of Kingdom Halls in the city they lived, usually speaking to the janitor (who says he is a member) asking if they have membership records etc. I have been told that no records are kept for any length of time (not like a normal church) and there would be no way of discovering if my mother or great grandparents were members at any time.

    Any help or pointers for information sources would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to get a picture of the family dynamics which was greatly influenced by the Jehovah Witness faith but am hitting a brick wall.

    Thanks.

  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    There are others who know more than I do, that can probably help you out and give you better answers, but I will take a stab at it anyway----

    Isn't it unusual to have one spouse following this faith while the other rebels?

    Maybe for other religions it's unusual, but this happens to Jw's all the time!! There were several in our hall who had "un-believing mates".

    With my grandfather forcing his children to attend, does this usually mean they were baptized and became members?

    I doubt it, no one gets forced to get baptized. But kids are forced to the meetings well into their late teens. It's the father's right as the head of the household to decide how the children will worship. In 1911, I would assume society at large would agree with the JW's on this point. Sadly society has progressed while JW's have not.

    What would have happened when they left?
    I still contend that they were probably not baptized, especially since you said she was never shunned. She probably just quit going, got strong words from her father, and heard about it all the time. He may have had little to do with her or the other children after the fact, but he wouldn't be able to out and out shun her. In a case like this, it would help that your grandmother was not a JW because she could still stay close to her no matter what. And it may have just given the appearance that she still had strong ties to the family, even tho--behind the scenes your grandfather may have been less than warm to her.
  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    Sorry I can't be of much help, I've never been a dub myself. However, a few weeks back there was a post (see link below) about President Eisenhower's parents belonging to the bible students. It's an interesting read (lengthy), but it might give you a clue or two to persue.....

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/56651/831902/post.ashx#831902

    Also, you can type into a search engine Bible Students .... there are several links to those people that stayed on as Bible Students and didn't go on to become Jehovah's Witnesses. good luck.

  • Valis
    Valis

    if you want to read about the family dynamic that they were establishing way back then don't forget to go to this website:

    http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/

    Best of luck on your search!

    I also wanted to add, don't forget they have also changed their doctrine regarding a spouse no being part of JWland many times, so from your GF's standpoint he may have changed the way he treated his family many times...

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I can't help with the history part, but I might be able to explain the family dynamics a bit. There have been "mixed marriages" from the beginning of time. Mixed marriages, especially religious ones, are always a challenge. Some, however, do manage to make their way through the minefield.

    The WTBTS started in about 1879. They were Bible Students back then. The WTBTS was incorporated in 1909. This timeline link gives a point of reference of some of the activities of the WTBTS while your grandfather was involved. http://www.jwtruth.com/Timeline.asp

    If your grandmother was never part of the Witnesses, she would not be considered a rebel, but rather an "unbeliever". The JW literature is clear that different faith is not enough to divorce a partner. Your grandfather would be expected to be patient and accommodating, in the hope that she would be eventually brought around by his kindness. So she would be able to continue to state her beliefs. After all, she never bought in to the WT doctrine.

    JW children are not baptized in infancy. Disfellowshipping and "shunning" is applied to baptized members of the WTBTS. If your grandfather's children left before getting baptized, they would still be able to communicate openly with the rest of the family.

  • Euphemism
    Euphemism

    Regrettably, Witnesses don't keep long-term records. Your best bet is to ask if you can speak with someone who's been in the congregation a long time, who might remember members of your family.

  • Francois
    Francois

    All the shunning business came later into the witnesses so-called theology. I'd suggest the best place to start turning over rocks would be at the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society in Brooklyn, NY. If any records exist, they would be there. Not in the congregation in which your ancestors lived. Not unless you could find some really old geezer types who might still be alive. Go to the Sunday meeting and see who turns up. They'll welcome you, I'd say, if there is the faintest glimmer that you might join up.

    Frank Tyrrell

  • coffee_black
    coffee_black

    Hi Odie,

    My grandparents married in 1908 and became involved with the bible students in 1910. Where are you from? There are people on this board from nearly everywhere. It is possible that someone may know your family.

    Coffee

  • coffee_black
    coffee_black

    Hi Odie,

    My grandparents married in 1908 and became involved with the bible students in 1910. Where are you from? There are people on this board from nearly everywhere. It is possible that someone may know your family.

    Coffee

  • coffee_black
    coffee_black

    Hi Odie,

    My grandparents were married in 1908, and became involved with the bible students in 1910. Where is your family from? It is possible that someone on this board may know of your family.

    Coffee

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