Interpretation of Scripture (page 3)

Cliff Jackson

Hi Pat. Like you, I am now an agnostic or non believer in any human God of torture.

I discovered (in my old age) that the JWs also believe that God cursed all creation for a wee wee sin, and then proceeded to torture most of creation in the flood and Sodom, even little children and even fetuses which I suppose He aborted and took to Heaven.

At least the JWs will not accuse God of torturing anyone forever. The JWs may also believe that God answers prayers, but if this is so, He surely is picky because He doesn't even help the innocent JW children who are brutally raped, tortured or murdered.

How can anybody say God answers prayers?

I am 67 years old and I was the Cong Servant in San Angelo Texas in 1954.

esther

hi Cha Cha, you asked

Can the Bible be interpreted correctly only by the Watchtower? Do you believe that the Bible was written to all people?

I don't think the bible can be interpreted, because I don't think it is God's word

Hi Cliff, you say

If Jesus came back in 1914 and is now ruling, why do we need interpretation of the scriptures?

That is a good question. I have another one along the similar lines. If Jesus returned in 1914, why is the memorial for him still kept? Paul said in 1 Cor 11:26

For as often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives

You also ask if anyone is a JW. Well I was baptized as a JW, am not df'd or da'd, but I have no intention of going to any more meetings, witnessing or anything. I am just adrifting away, quietly.
esther
escaping to freedom
edited in the interest of better grammar

pomegranate

because I don't think it is God's word

You think it isn't or you know it isn't?

What if it is and you think it isn't?

Is it wise to bash the book that MAY BE God's word, just because men organize themselves into the "only ones" who can "interpret" it and weild that lie onto their subordinates?

Is it justifiable in your heart because ALL these organizations who profess to know and be the "instrument of God" to condemn the book that they use for their own self righteousness?

esther

pomegranate, the reasons I don't think the bible is God's word have nothing to do with any religion. There are a few reasons, but it would take too long to go into them all. But one example is, why does God say in one place that a man will die for his own sins, but in another place he allowed many men to die for the sin of one man at Jericho? This was not just a case of an unexpected event, because God actually sent the Israelites to fight. There are more reasons than this one example. However, now I am an exJW I am no longer prepared to insist that my belief is the true one
esther

pomegranate

>>However, now I am an exJW I am no longer prepared to insist that my belief is the true one<<

A lovely attitude!!

Are we not TRULY BLESSED by the release from the bondage of a yoke that was unmerciful as well as ridiculous??? (Ain't hindsight great?)

Yoke = JW <phew!! I'm outa there!!>

Regarding sin, we are born in sin. All of Jericho was in sin. Do you believe all who were destroyed in the flood weren't worthy of that judgement? Or you don't believe that happened either? Curious...How much "sin" does a man have to do in order to be worthy of destruction?

All men will die because of sin.

Regarding justice, do you think it was just for the Father to predestine his Son to a violent death on the cross? That was the plan right from the beginning right? For Christ to die? His one and Only. Was his Sons death any more or less than the ones at Jericho?

Would you agree that leaders are responsible for their people?

So many questions....

esther

pom, you said

Regarding sin, we are born in sin. All of Jericho was in sin. Do you believe all who were destroyed in the flood weren't worthy of that judgement? Or you don't believe that happened either? Curious...How much "sin" does a man have to do in order to be worthy of destruction?

If I made a mold to make something and it was sufficiently flawed for me to want to destroy it and I still used it, I could not then blame what was reproduced for the flaws. So, no, I don't believe that everyone is worthy of destruction simply because they were born.

esther

pomegranate

If you made the mold unflawed and someone else made it flawed, then what?

esther

pomegranate, you asked "If you made the mold unflawed and someone else made it flawed, then what?"
It would depend on the circumstances. I would destroy the mold, but if it had been used prior to it being flawed, I would probably make do with what I already had. But if the mold had not been used, I would make another unflawed mold, and then stick around to make sure that this one did not get flawed by anyone before it was used

pomegranate

What should be done to the dude that did the bad deed to the first mold? Which deed did eventually cause the first mold to be destroyed, but not before the mold started reproducing its kind...as it was designed to do.

Suppose the mold going bad was a foreknown battle that would be lost, for the furthering of winning of the war?

kes152

chacha

you asked:

Again, my question: Do you believe that anyone, anywhere, who just had a Bible, and no other literature, could understand it and be saved?

The truth, ONLY if they recieve holy spirit, the living water. For that is the ONLY way one can have everlasting life INSIDE them now, and thus already pass over from death to life. Thus, they will be saved if they remain in union with that spirit.

John 4:14
John 7:37-39
John 6:53
John 5:24

you also said:

The Bible says study to show thy self approved, rightly deviding the word of God.

Unfortunately the Bible never says that. It says (according to the GREEK)

"Be DILIGENT in showing thyself approved..."

In old english study meant to be 'diligent' or dedicated. However, LATER the word study means to "read and research and form a comprehension of" something the Greek was not conveying.

you also said:

John 2 v27: But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him Are we being told here that the Holy Spirit will teach us all things?

the Answer, YES!!!

This is the scripture most pastors frown from cuz if everyone was taught by holy spirit, there would be no attendance nor any income for the church.

Peace to you all,
Aaron

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