GROWING UP AS AN EIGHTIES WITNESS

by josephus 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • josephus
    josephus

    Hi all

    i was my nephews birthday party tonight. my sister (who i didnt speak to for 15 years because she was dffd was the hostess).

    all was well, and we got to talking about growing up as a kid in the truth. my mum was there and i admoitted to thinking from as early as i could remember till i was about 20 the "the end" was coming any minute.

    i wrote lists of things i would need in the event of an emergency, how we would fing eachother if we were seperated when it happened, and kept maps so we could escape persecution. i even tried to dig a big pit to store stuff in so wed be prepared.

    now i realize this is stupid, but i was between 8, and 13 when i did this. my parents (both good jws) didnt know as i never told them, and they would never have wanted me to think like that.

    so i told my mum and sister, and it turns out she did the same thing !!!!!!!! i have to wonder were we especially odd ? or is this crazy survivalist mentality bred into all jw kids ?

    now my brother never did these things, but he never took it as seriously as we did, so i wonder if only devout kids are affected.

    any thoughts

    josephus

  • Brummie
    Brummie

    Interesting. This mentality was bred in all of us, I was a teen through the 80's. I remember how we had worked out how to do the field service if we were globally banned just before the tribulation. We would wear casual cloths (if the elders allowed it) and one person would knock one door in one street while I would knock one door in another to make it look like we were not JWs. It kept the great tribulation in our minds and our heads against the grindstone.

    I liked the 80s, remember the pencil slim ties and flecked suits? fashion raged and we all got counselled for wearing slim suits. It was a blast.

    Brummie

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    Witnesses seem to partition these things in their minds. After all, if you believe that the world is coming to an end any minute, and that you will become objects of persecution, then your reaction was completely natural. (For many years, my wife wanted me to build a secret hiding place in the basement, for when the pogroms came).

    Yet, Witnesses do not seem to live like this. Obviously, they have realized on some level, that there is no end of the world, and they buy retirement savings and do not hoard canned goods. They seem to have subconciously realized that the Armageddon myth is just a fantasy.

    So, out of one side of their mouth, they preach the end of the world, while at the same time, thinking anyone who takes this literally is a little odd.

  • josephus
    josephus

    ahhhh if one thing will bring down gods wrath on mankind, it would be a return to pencil thin leather ties ! i remember as i got older i was refused the privilege of doing the mics, because i wore cord trousers !! apparently god doesnt like cord.

    josephus

  • jws
    jws

    I was a teenager in the 80's. I was getting into computers and working with another guy to build a ministry school scheduler. It was a big hit for a while. Individual sheets with your name at the top and your assignment(s) highlighted in bold. Then it was banned because, in the great tribulation, lists like these could lead them to find us. So, only one copy at the hall that could easily be destroyed. So, the paranoia was there.

    I always got a bit confused. Armageddon was supposed to sneak up on us at any time. So, if this massive persecution was going to happen, then Armageddon was going to be later, after this persecution? So, I didn't have to worry until things started getting bad for us, right? I think I remember somebody saying that we may not know what the great tribulation was until it's over. So, I was supposed to fear Armageddon coming any day because maybe we're in the great tribulation already. I think another person said we might not have it here in the US.

    I remember having talks telling us what others were doing to secretly do the preaching. My resolve was that if it ever got that risky, I'd never go again, no matter what my parents said.

    I personally remember being more afraid of that type of stuff when I was younger. Maybe it's an age thing. When you get a little older and these things still haven't happened, you start to relax and eventually wonder if they will ever happen.

  • garybuss
    garybuss



    Great thread, Thanks for starting it.

    I was a Witness kid in the 1950's. I started first grade in 1950 in a one room country schoolhouse with water from a well and two outhouses out back. By the time I was in fifth or sixth grade, I was of an age of some understanding. The 1950's was a Witness age, in South Dakota at least, of high expectations of an imminent Armageddon. The idea of doom and gloom pleased my parents and the Witness people I grew up with.

    As a Witness kid of a rigid Witness father and a pious Witness mother, I lived an outlined Witness life of meetings and/or service 5 days a week every week. I lived a life of impending doom. I believed all the Witnesses told me and I had no idea the Watch Tower Society was just a book publishing business drumming up book sellers and book sales. I expected Armageddon every night when I went to bed.

    The meetings were really bad because the Witnesses taught my parents that God expected them to beat my brother and I and call it love. They read the verses where it is wrong to spare the rod and spoil the child. We suffered terribly because of the Witness people and because of the writers of the Witness literature. It was a congregation ritual in Sioux Falls, South Dakota to beat children and many there were beaten as bad or worse than my brother and I. At least my mother did most of her beating on us a home. Other kids at the hall were beaten right in front of us. I had PTSD for years as an adult because of it all.

    By my middle elementary school years it had all taken a tole on me and I could see no point in even going to school, let alone doing good with studies. Thursday night I sat in the meeting for two and a half hours listening to predictions of the end of the world and the promised imminent death of all my classmates and my teacher and Friday in school I was tired and the last evening I had at home to do homework was Monday. The Witness writers, the Witness people, and my Witness parents did a good job at motivating me to be unmotivated in school. My teachers tried to encourage me to do my homework and do good in school but they could not undo the message I was getting at home and in my associating with the Witness people.

    It was all a shame. I had a good intellect and I had abilities with music and art that could never be developed with support or approval. I could have been a happy, creative kid but it was robbed from me and I got fear and shaming and an unpaid book sales job instead. I gave up my wants and did what pleased my parents. I rebelled a couple times as an adolescent but I was told by my mother to either be a Witness and do all the meetings and service with the family or pack my bags and move out.

    It was a tough life. I had no idea how tough until I got away from the group and had a chance to take an objective look at it all.

    Many here have a similar story and more than a few are just beginning the recovery and it's a scary thing. Scary to think that all our Witness relatives, all our parents, our friends are all wrong about so much . . . . and the way we were treated now is a felony and children who are abused like we were are removed from those abusive homes.

    That abuse and that living the life of the lie was our family secret and we didn't let our neighbors know we were praying for their speedy death or that dad didn't take that better job so he could be a better Witness and mom didn't have enough money to buy enough groceries some weeks because the grocery money was spent for gas for the car to go in service. They didn't know mom beat her kids with yardsticks and fly swatters and sent them to bed hungry every night. And every morning in school we sat during the pledge to the flag and the song of the nation and looked forward to going home that night for more of the same.

    Now they shun us for not following in those footsteps. Just some reflections from GaryB

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    I was married in 1962 and by 1969, we had 3 children. Dave wanted another baby when Rachel (Princess) was about 2 or 3, but it was so close to 1975, that I couldn't bear to take the risk of getting pregnant and maybe getting tortured or having my babies tortured in front of me. "Woe to the pregnant woman" and all that rot, you know. I really thought that way. My thoughts were that if we had to literally be on the run, that I could carry Rachel, and Dave could carry one of the boys, and the other would be old enough to run himself.

    By 1978, I realized the end was probably not going to come like we thought it would, so I got pregnant again in 1979. He is 24 now.

    I still can't believe I ever swallowed that drivel.

  • D8TA
    D8TA

    Jeeez, does this topic bring back a boatload of memories.

    I remember nights when I was a kid I would go over those "armageddon" scenarios...or not sleep at all. 1980 I was 10...by 84 (when I was on my way out) I think I more interested in having fun.

    For some reason, I never conjured up those nice pictures of "people sitting with lambs in their yards with the friendly lion looking on". Nah, it was those pictures of people falling into pits and lightning striking building, fire and brimstone pics that always haunted my night sleep when I was a kid.

  • RandomTask
    RandomTask

    I remember being scared that it would come and God wouldn't include me in the new world for some reason. I also used to think that theres no way I'll even make it to High School, Armageddon will be here by then.

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu

    Very interesting topic! It seems that the whole "Armageddon's around the corner" thing was pushed a lot more than it was in the 1990s (probably because the GB was coming up with an excuse for the whole 1914 generation thing).

    I remember when I was just a child, and my mother told me that the wicked system of things wouldn't be around for another 5 years. That was in the mid-eighties.

    The whole 1914 generation thing haunted me for years even after I left. When I found freeminds.org and discovered that they changed that stupid prophecy, I was pissed right off. I was lied to for YEARS. It was a belief that I adopted and didn't lose until I read that November Watchtower. I was robbed of a childhood because of a lie.

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