God and Man -- The Paradox....The Choice

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Here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the Ultimate Question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?

Even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists. Our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.) This is a conumdrum, a PARADOX.

To say that our universe exists because "God did it" is absurd, ridiculous. It's a non-answer.

To say that our universe exists because it simply exists, that is, without a Deity, is ALSO absurd, ridiculous and a non-answer.

Choose your absurdity.

I ask you to enter a very theoretical place in your mind. Picture yourself as existing apart from the universe we know and ask yourself if you would accept, theoretically, the universe without a designer or First Cause or metaphysic as it's explanation. Would you? "Ah, yes...that seems logical. A universe which is nothing more than a nonsensical bunch of atoms which formed from an explosion at a singularity which was uncaused. I can accept that."

Fool.

Or would you demand a metaphysical reason for it's existence? This somewhat dodges the question, though, doesn't it? To say "God did it" (or, as I accept, that the universe is divine and teleological in and of itself) seems to do nothing more but create more questions. It answers the question as to why the universe exists but then raises the question as to why the cause of the answer exists!

Either way -- no God or God -- you become illogical, a fool. I honestly cannot see one philosophical outlook as being superior to the other. For sure, some types of theologies are absurd. The Judeo-Christian God, taken literally, is a purely human invention. Anyone open to reason and morality can see this. All the same, there are other theologies. Better ones? I think so.

Yes, we are in a hell of a conumdrum aren't we? Either way we end up a fool no matter what we choose. And, don't kid yourself, we do choose. Knowing this, choose wisely.

Bradley

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Addendum:

All in all, what I am saying is this: the chances for there being a purpose, meaning and cause to our universe is about as great as there being none. Taken another way, the chances are also as unlikely.

Like I said, choose your absurdity.

Bradley

SixofNine

You've been drinking haven't you Bradley? There there, get some sleep like a good little filthy atheist and it will all be better in the morning. If the sun comes up, that is.

Euphemism

Dude, if the universe didn't exist, you wouldn't be here getting drunk, musing about life, and writing poetry about the tongue. (And I hope those two don't go together... if you philosophize in afterglow, you're an even worse nerd than I thought. )

So, obviously, the universe exists precisely so that Bradley "Logan" can drink, get blowjobs, and wax philosophical.

That said, if you're ever in the potato state, drop me a line and I'll buy you a drink and we can wax philosophical. I really can't do anything about the blow job, sorry.

Flowerpetal

Awwww...come on guys...aren't you being a little to hard on Bradley? I enjoyed his post.

Hamas

I thought of that one.

What is the purpose of life ? How did we get here ? Is there a God ?

and then I realised, I dont give a shit...

well, ok, I do. But the questions are too hard dammit !

Nice post, Brad.

LittleToe

FP are you saying that Euph has to give LR a BJ?

Nice post Bradley.

I recall having an exchange sometime during the last year (was it with you, mindchild?) regarding evolution, God and creation that went something like this:

If the Big Bang started this universe, and once it has reached as far as the energy will permit it then recoils (due to gravitational forcesand entropy) back to a single point, will it then cause another big bang starting off another universe?

Evolution allows life to form and evolve to a highly developed stage, during each iteration of universe.

I then speculated that supposing an entity finds a way to "make the jump" and exist outside of that process.

Then supposing that entity has the ability to affect the course of events during one of the iterations of universal creation, to speed up or enhance the life that's formed within that iteration.

Of course that entity would have to live "outside" of those physical parameters that make up this"reality". It would also have to be able to live a long time, but maybe that's also an effect of such physical law bending.

If it made itself known to life within such an iteration, how would it be reacted to?

Foolish? Yeah, but as suggested, all theories are...

Flowerpetal

LittleToe:

FP are you saying that Euph has to give LR a BJ?

Of course not!!!

SixofNine

Evolution allows life to form and evolve to a highly developed stage, during each iteration of universe.
I then speculated that supposing an entity finds a way to "make the jump" and exist outside of that process.
Then supposing that entity has the ability to affect the course of events during one of the iterations of universal creation, to speed up or enhance the life that's formed within that iteration.
Of course that entity would have to live "outside" of those physical parameters that make up this"reality". It would also have to be able to live a long time, but maybe that's also an effect of such physical law bending.
If it made itself known to life within such an iteration, how would it be reacted to?
Foolish? Yeah, but as suggested, all theories are...

Nah, I don't think it's foolish. I suppose I haven't taken it to as many specifics on the physics side of things, but I've thought of a similar scenario.

"God" then makes perfect sense, as "god" isn't "god" at all, in that he/she/it/they are not in any way "all" powerful. And if god isn't all powerful, it's a beautiful thing, cuz then god isn't a vicious "worship me, worship me" asshole jerk either (most likely). lol, oth, if the god we've just described is, in spite of not being all powerful, still a viscious "worship me, worship me!" asshole jerk, don't stand too close to me, cuz I'm screwed now! lol.

stillajwexelder

Put another way -- if you are an atheist -- who created the singularity so the big bang could happen and the universe could come into being -- if you are a bliever in God why did he allow suffering , etc -- he could have doen abetter job -- and please do not come up with a talking sanke persuading a naked woman to eat some fruit crap

God and Man -- The Paradox....The Choice

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