JWs using 'apostate' phraseology?

by neat blue dog 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  neat blue dog

  I've mentioned before how a regular pioneer used the phrases "tight-pants Tony" and "don't drink the Kool-Aid". Well the other week, a different regular pioneer, and elderly one in fact, was talking about the Simplified Watchtower being discontinued and the normal one replacing it, and she said 'I guess they're just gonna dumb-down everything'. Then too even the Org itself used the words "fade" and "shun" in recent articles, words that were previously shied away from.

  Anybody here experienced something similar, a seeming PIMI saying something that makes you wonder if they've been sneaking ex-JW 'spiritual food' on the side?
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  the girl next door

  Could you clarify? How is replacing the simplified WT with the normal one a “dumbing-down”? Are they going back to the 32 page magazine? I’m just not familiar with what they publish anymore.
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  neat blue dog

  There are 15 WTs published every year: 12 Study Editions (for the meetings) that are 32 pages, and 3 public editions for witnessing, 16 pages. The Study Editions have for the past decade had a complimentary Simplified Edition with bigger pictures, less/simpler words etc. Starting next year they're gonna discontinue the Simplified and just, well, 'dumb down' the regular edition instead.
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  the girl next door

  Oh! Thank you. I would like to know the justification WT makes for a move that seems anti progressive. Is the need for a simplified version not useful? An unneeded extra cost? Are those simplified versions piling up in the magazine room? Do they even have magazine rooms anymore? Lol.
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  caves

  neat blue dog-

  Anybody here experienced something similar, a seeming PIMI saying something that makes you wonder if they've been sneaking ex-JW 'spiritual food' on the side?

  Yes I have experienced something similar from a PIMI . As for sneaking 'Exjw spiritual food on the side', who can say?

  Ive heard the same 'murmurs' of literature being to simple. Ive also heard 'murmurs from single 'brother and sisters' that Jw.0rg has lot of material and articles for families and kids/teens specific, but not for anyone one else that doesn't fall in those categories and it make them feel left out. Umm....because they are.

  But the very next time I talked to said person and brought it up they denied ever saying it.(cognitive dissonance) This has happened a fair number of times in my experience.

  Also a pioneer jw had many times told me how long they'd pioneered and what they gave up and when they got ill and had to go to the hospital that no one was there for them , not a single jw called or visited. They were balling there eyes out ....then suddenly out of no where because they realized they just got vulnerable with an exjw they stopped and acted like everything was fine, like they were talking to the devil (me ) and the projecting started. Thats when its time for me to go. LOL. Because I call it out which triggers anger and more projection a long with a large dose of guilt stirred up in them trying to make it about me being a bad influence ( all from a 5 min of a conversation.) and I wasn't even the one who brought it up initially.

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  zophar

  It is interesting that if you Google the phrase: "tight pants tony" it seems to only direct to "Apostate" sites. It is possible either they personally have visited those sites or they could have heard the expression from another JW who visited such sites. It could be possible that someone created that phrase independently but probably not.

  It seems incredible that 1,000's of PIMI JW's who regularly use a computer at work and home, would not see "Apostate" sites at some point. How many have the self-discipline required by JW.org to not at least click on one or more of those sites? Once there, whether they know it or not, a seed is planted. What they do with that nagging doubt that arises says much about them as a person. Does their conscience not require them to at least investigate?

  Going from PIMI to PIMO to POMO is sometimes a long, long process.
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  caves

  The simplified version was a real mistake for the jws. It was an insult not only to the 'householder' but the r&f regarded it as making it so simple that the "dumb worldly people" could even 'get it'.

  I believe that the simplified version would be seen as crumbs to the "oh so spiritually starving" hence the 'meaty stuff' the uber dubs use to feel more superior in their own minds. Imo
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  neat blue dog

  I would like to know the justification WT makes for a move that seems anti progressive.

  The same ways they always spin it: "Simplification" and unity. But anyways, yeah you're right in your guesses for the real reasons. I'm a magazine servant and I throw away a number of magazines every month, mostly Simplified.
  
  
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  slimboyfat

  Yes, a local JW used the phrase “bunker video” in a Watchtower answer. Pretty suspicious methinks. 😎
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  neat blue dog

  bunker video

  Yes! I forgot to mention, a JW in my area said that too! I believe the phrase was originated on the JW Survey site, and seeing as it's really a basement and not a bunker, youthinks right, it is suspicious.