I remember a special talk give by Ray Franz in I don’t concur with the beginning of this thread that Ray was responsible for the “75” fiasco. As we all can attest, in our transition away from the org there is a period of time where we don’t believe, but our words are on auto pilot. I remember giving several public talks after I had come to the realization that I needed to get out of the org. Although I no longer believed, I stayed close to the outline.