Manitoba to ban smoking province-wide

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  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Manitoba looking at becoming first province to ban smoking provincewide

    Sep. 28, 2003

    WINNIPEG (CP) - Manitoba could become the first province to go cold turkey and ban smoking wherever people work, indoors or out, with no ifs ands or butts.

    Some say that would make the province the most progressive government in Canada; others compare the move to Nazi Germany. Bland opinion seems hard to find in the spicy stew an all-party committee of the legislature must digest as it prepares to come up with a recommendation as early as November.

    Dr. Mark Taylor, a Winnipeg physician and vice-president of Physicians for a Smoke-Free Canada, holds the former opinion. He says British Columbia and Prince Edward Island came close with rules that confine smokers, but both stop a little short.

    "B.C. and Prince Edward Island are both good (but) neither one of them are excellent, and we hope we can prevail on the government of Manitoba to bring forward the first excellent law in Canada," says Taylor.

    He cites mounting evidence on second-hand smoke, which he says should prove the case to anyone.

    Smokers like Warren Klass aren't buying.

    "You're a citizen who's obeying all the laws and all of a sudden some people decide they want to de-normalize you for some great higher purpose, for some wonderful fantasy of the secure and sanitary utopia, as Hitler called it," said Klass.

    Klass is president of FORCES Canada. It stands for Fight Ordinances to Restrict Control and Eliminate Smoking.

    As the committee wrapped up its public hearings last week in Winnipeg, Klass reminded it that Hitler was a non-smoker who waged a determined anti-smoking campaign in Germany, which failed.

    More typical of the majority opinion at the hearings is Patricia Lane, a member of a Winnipeg high school parents council who wants to ensure a ban extends to smoking anywhere on school grounds.

    She says to do otherwise is like telling kids they can only play with sharp knives in a designated area, adding that protection should extend to the home.

    "Obviously, I think parents shouldn't expose their children to second-hand smoke," says Lane.

    Many provinces have been wrestling with this issue of smoking bans as more and more municipalities bring in their own.

    British Columbia got close but backed down after a court decision and then the election of a new government put the brakes on an all-out ban using workplace safety regulations.

    In the end, the province decided to allow specially ventilated smoking rooms in bars and restaurants. Prince Edward Island has had a similar system in place since May.

    That solution is just fine for Courtney Donovan of the Canadian Restaurant and Foodservices Association.

    "It's not the perfect solution. It doesn't work for every establishment," she says.

    "But there's 5,000 food service establishments in B.C. (and) 4,500 of them chose voluntarily to go smoke free. Only 500 of them decided they wanted to put in a smoking room. I see no reason why that wouldn't work in Manitoba."

    Manitoba, however, has been under pressure to copy Winnipeg's tough no-smoking bylaw or an even tougher one in Brandon, the province's second-largest city, which makes no allowance for smoking rooms.

    Manitoba workplace regulations already specify that exposure to airborne carcinogens must be controlled to as close to zero as practicable. Tobacco smoke produces some of those chemicals.

    In an internal report, the government has been urged to bring in a phased-in ban. Smoking rooms would be allowed for a year, then eliminated and followed within three years by a complete ban of smoking indoors or outdoors at any workplace.

    Stan Struthers, the government-appointed committee chairman, is non-committal, but opposition members suggest a ban is coming and only the details remain to be worked out.

    "I think this committee is going to bring forward a recommendation for banning smoking provincewide in the workplace and in public places," says Liberal leader Jon Gerrard.

    Conservative Denis Rocan, a reformed smoker, says he sees the issue as black and white.

    "This is not a time to be piecemeal . . . you're either pregnant or you're not pregnant. So if you're going to do it, bite the bullet, let it happen."

    But smokers like George McKeever see it as the beginning of the end.

    "Next we can expect the secret police to patrol the streets with infrared heat-seeking devices to track us down in our bedrooms," said McKeever, 79, as he shuffled out of the room where hearings were held last week.

    "George Orwell, how right you were."

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu

    Thanx for sharing this Lee.

    I'm trying my damn best to quit smoking, but that's only because cigarettes are too expensive. I've already seen how the existing ban has hurt businesses, and it will continue to do so. Many smoke while they drink, and that's all come to an end. I'll bet any money that people will be smoking in the bathrooms when winter hits.

    I think it should be up to the business owners to decide if they want smoking indoors or not.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Hi Nos

    as someone who is allergic to smoke I guess I would have to side with the new laws. I do think it will be hard on the smokers though.

    It drives me to choking when I leave a building and all the smokers are standing at the door so that I have to walk through a cloud of second-hand smoke. I have gotten quite proficient at taking a deep breathe before I step into it.

    After next week when you move quitting should be a lot easier without all the stress Nos

    I do think it is important for the workers in many of these places not to have to be exposed to the constant second-hand smoke in massive doses that occurs in some bars

    As for the workplace. One place I was at had a room for the smokers which was fine for me. But wow did they reek when they came out of there. You could almost see the cloud follow them. Plus I doubt it would be healthy to put 15 smokers in a room and have them inhale.

    I watched my father die of smoking realted lung disease. it isn't pretty and a terrible way to die

  • Special K
    Special K

    Yes, your right lady lee ..

    about when you leave a building and have to wade through smoke to just get to the parking lot..

    and you know what building seems to be the worst in my area.... the hospitals?..

    No one in my family smokes.. we have all become extremely sensitive to cigarette smoke and scented products for me too.

    special k

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    K you know you're right and the worst are the people who work there

    You'd think they would know better

    but addictions are pretty strong

  • BLISSISIGNORANCE
    BLISSISIGNORANCE

    Well....................in Canberra (Australia) we have had smoking restrictions in public places for years. Restaurants, offices, work areas, shopping malls, indoor cafe's etc. There are some bars which allow smoking but they are not the majority.You can drive through the city and see workers standing outside huddled together sucking on fags in their breaks, summer or winter. When we go out it's just the norm to not have smoke blown in your face, coming home smelling like an ashtray with red, sore eyes.

    I use to be a heavy smoker myself but gave up 14 years ago. But even when I smoked I believed that pollution of any kind is wrong and smoking is a form of pollution. It's unfair for non-smokers to HAVE to put up with something that is known to be harmful and smelly! When I go out as a non-smoker I'm greatful for the laws which ensure that my air will not stink. I know we breath in poisons every day from fumes etc, so I'm happy to be protected from at least 1. One thing that really annoys me is when I see someone in a car, with kids, smoking with the windows up. Those kids are being made to smoke too! Not right!

    So personally I think it's a great idea. Even some smokers here don't complain about the laws anymore, some even think it's helped them to reduce their nicotine intake, eventually giving up!

    Cheers, Bliss................ (of the non-smoking class)

  • RAYZORBLADE
    RAYZORBLADE

    It was done.

    I remember.

    We did a one-off. You know, non-smoking gig for one night.

    People who normally do not venture into clubs/bars/pubs: Came out in droves!

    The place was packed, and the venue was smokeless, and I LOVED IT!

    I made my best tips that night.

    A few other venues in Toronto did similarly, requested by the performers etc., and they made a mint!

    Some people say it hurts business: only the smoker imply that. Sorry, I disagree.

    Working in a bar/pub myself, I can tell you, I have had more trouble and heartaches from smokers who wish to impose their unhealthy habit on others.

    Business bad for whom?

    The non-smokers who stay home, and away from smokey venues, will come out, finally!

    Smoke outside, or try to do something about what has been known internationally and studied to death (pardon the pun) on a habit that KILLS people, without any more proof, than your denial about an unhealthy addiction.

    I'm for non-smoking bars/pubs etc., and know they bring out tons of great folks!

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    I doubt you will find very many people that will disagree with the health issues regarding smoking RAZORBLADE but...wouldn?t you agree the streets might be a little safer if you would take that stick out of your head before you get behind the wheel?

  • RAYZORBLADE
    RAYZORBLADE

    So the avatar is visible to you: but not me.

    Drat!

    No worries, that pic was taken during one of my migraine moments.

    No worries, I don't drive any more.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Bliss

    In Winnipeg here most public areas are non-smoking. But the bars, considered adult venues, have been allowed to stay a smokers haven. The new law will make them non-smoking.

    RAY wow I never go to bars because of the smoke. But I might be tempted if they were smoke free. Not that it is a part of my life-style. Never has been but I can see that a lot of ex-smokers that used to go out might be willing to go back even on a regular basis

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