the pope has died

by stan livedeath 12 Replies latest social current

stan livedeath

Most people on the planet have heard of the pope.
Most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body.
iloowy.goowy

RIP Francis. Let's hope the next Pope starts a Vatican 3 Council, fat chance but it would be nice to pick up where V2 left off.
peacefulpete

I vote for Rob Lowe
Duran

I would like to make up a shirt that has print on front and back. The front would say 'I am happy the pope died'. Then when people react getting mad like idiots (over such a ridiculous man) because they would find it insulting that people are happy that their pope died, then I would turn around and the back would ask, 'aren't you happy the pope died and is in heaven now'?
aqwsed12345

@Duran
Your statement is not only appallingly disrespectful and juvenile, it exposes the deep moral and theological bankruptcy of the ideology you subscribe to. You mock death, trivialize the dignity of the human person, and parade a grotesque form of self-righteousness masked as spiritual insight. And to call Pope Francis “a ridiculous man” — a man who has devoted his life to service, humility, and the Gospel — reveals far more about your heart than his.
Let’s be clear: your comment is not a challenge to Catholicism. It is a stain on basic decency and Christian charity. No genuine follower of Christ speaks with such contempt for a fellow human being, especially not for a spiritual leader whose very office — the papacy — was instituted by Christ Himself when He said: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church” (Matthew 16:18). You may not like the Pope, but mocking his death as a punchline shows that you are not led by the Spirit of Christ, who taught us to bless even our enemies — let alone mock the dead.
Your “shirt idea” is a theological contradiction. If, in your warped logic, you're happy the Pope is dead because you believe he’s in heaven — then why the mockery? Why the sneering provocation? Why the grotesque glee? If you really believed Pope Francis is now in the presence of Jehovah (whom you insist we must name constantly, though Jesus never did so once in prayer), then you ought to approach the matter with reverence and gratitude — not a smug smirk and a snide T-shirt slogan.
But here’s the deeper irony: you don’t actually believe he’s in heaven. Your cult teaches that Pope Francis is part of “Babylon the Great,” the so-called “world empire of false religion.” In your worldview, he’s not saved at all — so your “back of the shirt” question isn’t sincere. It’s a baited trap. And yet it fails miserably, because it assumes the audience is as callous and combative as you.
If someone made a shirt that said “I’m happy Charles Taze Russell is dead”, would you think that’s godly? Would you defend it as righteous? Or would you recognize it as a cruel, disgusting gesture?
Your message has nothing to do with truth or Scripture. It’s just venom dressed up as piety.
If this is the kind of “good news” you believe Jehovah’s Witnesses are called to spread — the celebration of death, and the mockery of human suffering — then I can confidently say your gospel is not that of Jesus Christ.
Because the real Jesus weeps over the death of His friend (John 11:35), dines with sinners, loves His enemies, and rebukes those who would call down fire from heaven in self-righteous rage (Luke 9:55).
Your version of “truth” is little more than sanctified cruelty.
You ask us to “compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses show in the Bible” — but what you just showed me is not Scripture. It’s not even doctrine. It’s hatred with a false halo.
Take off the mask.
Until you learn to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15), and abandon the gleeful spite of this toxic rhetoric, don’t talk to me about being a follower of Christ.
blondie

I'm sure a lot of politicking has been going among the cardinals for months. They vote for who will be the next pope. Pre-1932, congregations voted who the elders would be in their congregation. (changed in 1932 by Rutherford)
Duran

Your statement is not only appallingly disrespectful and juvenile, it exposes the deep moral and theological bankruptcy of the ideology you subscribe to. You mock death, trivialize the dignity of the human person,
Of course, it is no surprise that you would be the one to show the example of the people I spoke about of how fast they would be offended at such a statement.
The mockery is not on the death of Jorge Bergoglio as a person; it is on those who claim that they believe when you die you go to heaven but then go on to mourn as though the person that died is gone forever.
But here’s the deeper irony: you don’t actually believe he’s in heaven. Your cult teaches that Pope Francis is part of “Babylon the Great,” the so-called “world empire of false religion.”
You are correct, I do not believe he is in heaven now. But again, it is not about me and what I believe when I spoke about the shirt. It is about what others claim to believe and then do not act in harmony with their own beliefs.
And YES, I believe that he is (or was, cause he's DEAD now) part of false religion, but I believe ALL religions are false, including JWs, so I don't know why you say, 'my cult', I am not now nor ever was a JW.
You ask us to “compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses show in the Bible”
When have I ever asked such a thing?
If this is the kind of “good news” you believe Jehovah’s Witnesses are called to spread — the celebration of death, and the mockery of human suffering — then I can confidently say your gospel is not that of Jesus Christ.
Again, you have no clue when you address me as if I speak as a JW. I speak based on what is written in the Bible, something you nor they do.
And always showing what a fool you are!
[ 9 Do not be quick to take offense, for the taking of offense lodges in the bosom of fools.]
Again, back to the point I was showing, if Catholics truly believed their beloved pope Jorge Bergoglio upon his death is in heaven now, then there would be no cause for suffering now and there would be cause for celebration.
[ 28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.]
If anyone has ever read the Bible, they would know that at present in regard to death, other than rejoicing over Jesus' return to heaven, that all others that have died, have the hope of being resurrected, even Jorge Bergoglio could be.
[13 Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope.]
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The Pope’s death will automatically trigger a nine-day mourning period known as the Novendiale and, during this time, daily prayers and requiem masses will be held in the Vatican as well as in the Catholic world.
If Catholics think Jorge went to the Father, should they be rejoicing now or mourning now?
rejoice - to feel joy or great delight
mourn - feel or show deep sorrow or regret for (someone or their death)
blondie

Duran, when going in the "ministry" people would tell me that they were going to heaven, it would a better place than living on earth. But those people were not in a hurry to go to heaven. I would ask respectfully, "but then why don't people just send themselves to heaven earlier?" Probably they still enjoy life on earth....
aqwsed12345
@Duran
Your condescending mockery masquerading as “biblical insight” is neither clever nor righteous — it’s a car crash of arrogance, theological confusion, and shallow provocation wrapped in a cloak of self-importance. So let’s pull back the curtain on your smug performance and expose the intellectual and spiritual fraud behind it. You say you’re mocking not the Pope, but those who mourn him. That’s a distinction without a difference. You imagine your shirt would cleverly expose “inconsistencies” in belief — but in reality, all it exposes is your own inability to understand grief, doctrine, or human decency. Yes, Christians believe in eternal life. But mourning isn’t a denial of that hope — it’s a deeply human, Christ-like response to the separation caused by death. Jesus Himself wept at Lazarus’ tomb (John 11:35), despite knowing He was about to raise him from the dead. By your logic, Jesus must’ve been a fool. Or do you dare to accuse Christ of inconsistency too? Your “argument” is built on the false assumption that faith in heaven = no sorrow. That’s not biblical, it’s emotionally stunted. The Bible doesn’t condemn mourning — it redeems it. We “do not grieve like those without hope,” not “do not grieve at all” (1 Thess 4:13). You conflate hope with emotional numbness, but they’re not the same thing. Rejoicing in eternal life doesn’t mean celebrating death. And it certainly doesn’t mean mocking the dead with crude T-shirt slogans designed to trigger outrage.
You claim to believe “all religions are false,” and yet you stand on a moral high horse as if you had divine insight. Let’s get this straight: you denounce all religion — including Jehovah’s Witnesses — and yet you argue like one, cite their proof-texts like one, and mimic their disdain for historic Christianity like a copy-paste apologist with a broken theology generator. You say you’re “not a JW,” but you parrot their rhetoric word for word. Denying membership while promoting their theology is like selling Watchtower pamphlets and then claiming you’re just “spiritually independent.” You criticize the Catholic Church for mourning the Pope — but again, you don't believe in heaven, hell, or the communion of saints. You reject all ecclesial tradition. So what standard are you even appealing to? Whose theology are you defending, other than your own ego?
Your citation of John 14:28 is a textbook case of Arian misinterpretation. You quote this like it’s some devastating mic-drop, but let me educate you. This verse reflects the economic (not ontological) subordination of Christ in His earthly mission — not a denial of His deity. The early Church Fathers — yes, those you reject without ever having read — already refuted your misuse of this verse in the 4th century. Christ is eternally equal to the Father in nature (John 1:1, Philippians 2:6), but in His incarnate role, He submits to the Father’s will — a fact acknowledged by every orthodox theologian from Augustine to Aquinas. So spare us the Arian relics. They were buried centuries ago at Nicea.
You pretend you never asked us to “compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses show in the Bible.” But your whole line of thought is that comparison. You quote exclusively from the NWT, and all your comments are filled with links to the their website. Even if you didn't type the words verbatim, your entire argument assumes a contrast between “what the Bible says” and “what Catholics believe.” You imply Catholics don’t follow the Bible — and present your mutilated interpretation of Scripture as the corrective. That’s exactly the tactic of the Watchtower: selective quotation, superficial theology, and condescending judgment.
Your theology of death is a confused mess of contradiction and coldness. Let’s walk through your logic:
- You claim it's “illogical” to mourn a man who went to heaven.
- Yet you don’t believe he went to heaven.
- And you think all religions (including Catholicism and JWs) are false.
- But you still quote the Bible as your supposed authority.
So let me ask: what worldview are you even arguing from?
You believe everyone’s wrong, but somehow you — an anti-religion iconoclast with a glib T-shirt joke — have the insight to mock others for grieving the loss of a faithful servant of God? What makes you the judge of how Christians should express hope?
You say the Pope was part of a false religion. Fine — that’s your belief. But gloating over death is not conviction. It’s cruelty. And it reflects a heart not filled with truth, but with spite.
Let’s talk about the fruit of your spirit. Jesus said: “By their fruits you will know them.” (Matthew 7:16)
What’s the fruit of your comment?
- Mockery of the dead.
- Contempt for grief.
- Disdain for fellow humans.
- Twisting of Scripture.
- Evasion of theological accountability.
None of this reflects Christ. None of it reflects biblical truth. It reflects a hollow ideology of sneering cynicism disguised as righteousness. You speak not from the Spirit of truth, but from the arrogance of self.
You asked: Should Catholics rejoice or mourn? Answer: Both.
- Rejoice in the hope of eternal life.
- Mourn in the pain of separation and loss.
- Honor a man who served God and the poor with humility.
- Reject your callousness dressed up as wit.
And most importantly, we will soon have the joy of celebration because they will proclaim, "habemus papam," and we will have our 267th pope, because there will always be popes, from the first coming of Christ to the second, as He infallibly promised us. Can you name a single institution in the world that could rival the papacy in terms of antiquity and continuity?
"There is not, and there never was on this earth, a work of human policy so well deserving of examination as the Roman Catholic Church. The history of that Church joins together the two great ages of human civilisation. No other institution is left standing which carries the mind back to the times when the smoke of sacrifice rose from the Pantheon, and when camelopards and tigers bounded in the Flavian amphitheatre. The proudest royal houses are but of yesterday, when compared with the line of the Supreme Pontiffs. That line we trace back in an unbroken series, from the Pope who crowned Napoleon in the nineteenth century to the Pope who crowned Pepin in the eighth; and far beyond the time of Pepin the august dynasty extends, till it is lost in the twilight of fable. The republic of Venice came next in antiquity. But the republic of Venice was modern when compared with the Papacy; and the republic of Venice is gone, and the Papacy remains. The Papacy remains, not in decay, not a mere antique, but full of life and youthful vigour. The Catholic Church is still sending forth to the farthest ends of the world missionaries as zealous as those who landed in Kent with Augustin, and still confronting hostile kings with the same spirit with which she confronted Attila. The number of her children is greater than in any former age. Her acquisitions in the New World have more than compensated for what she has lost in the Old. Her spiritual ascendency extends over the vast countries which lie between the plains of the Missouri and Cape Horn, countries which a century hence, may not improbably contain a population as large as that which now inhabits Europe. The members of her communion are certainly not fewer than a hundred and fifty millions; and it will be difficult to show that all other Christian sects united amount to a hundred and twenty millions. Nor do we see any sign which indicates that the term of her long dominion is approaching. She saw the commencement of all the governments and of all the ecclesiastical establishments that now exist in the world; and we feel no assurance that she is not destined to see the end of them all. She was great and respected before the Saxon had set foot on Britain, before the Frank had passed the Rhine, when Grecian eloquence still flourished at Antioch, when idols were still worshipped in the temple of Mecca. And she may still exist in undiminished vigour when some traveller from New Zealand shall, in the midst of a vast solitude, take his stand on a broken arch of London Bridge to sketch the ruins of St. Paul's."
- Thomas Babington Macaulay
In conclusion: You are not the prophet of truth. You are the punchline of your own failed theology. You claim superiority over “all religion,” but can’t even construct a consistent moral or doctrinal position.
Your shirt idea isn’t clever — it’s cruel.
Your theology isn’t deep — it’s delusional.
Your tone isn’t biblical — it’s belligerent.
You don’t follow the Christ who weeps, heals, and saves.
You follow the voice that says: “I am holier than thou” while trampling on the sorrow of others. That voice is not from heaven — and deep down, you know it.
Repent of your pride, your mockery, and your false gospel of scorn.
Because Christ is risen — and He’s nothing like you.
Duran
You pretend you never asked us to “compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses show in the Bible.” But your whole line of thought is that comparison. You quote exclusively from the NWT, and all your comments are filled with links to the their website.
Your theology of death is a confused mess of contradiction and coldness. Let’s walk through your logic:
You claim it's “illogical” to mourn a man who went to heaven.
Yet you don’t believe he went to heaven.
And you think all religions (including Catholicism and JWs) are false.
But you still quote the Bible as your supposed authority.
LOL!!!!! What a F%*cking fool you are.
First off you dip shit, this site is for ex and current JWs that don't believe the GB. It is not for Catholics or their beliefs. Why are you even here?
That being the case, why would I not quote from their NWT and have links to quotes from their website? We here use the WTS's own words to show their LIES.
And how retarded can you be that you actually knowingly point out that I believe all religions are false and I quote the Bible as my authority and yet you don't understand that concept? Whoever does not believe in the Bible that is fine, I can understand that. But whoever does claim to believe it, it should be the sole authority of their beliefs. Their beliefs should not be based upon what a group of men in NY say or what a little ridiculous man in a white dress and a little white cap says.
If one believes the Bible, then that one's beliefs should be from the Bible.
[ 4 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.]
[ 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.]
And YES, I do not believe he went to heaven, and I think it is foolish for people who think he did go to heaven, to mourn him.
My dad died 4 years ago. How foolish would it be if going back to that time when he was buried, and I was there at his grave the day of, on my knees crying and praying. Then behind me he walks up and touches me on the shoulder, and I look up at him and say 'oh even though you are here and alive, I have to turn and keep praying and mourning you for 9 days because you died and are buried right here in this grave, even though you have been resurrected and are alive now.'

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